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[t-raptor]

Hey bros,

I am on cycle at week 5. Doing 400mg/week EQ + 750mg/week Test EN.

The first 3 weeks I have also taken VAR at 75mg/day, then suspended because of acne.
Last week I have added Proviron 50mg/day to avoid bloating.

I went to the doctor last week to get blod work done, and today I have got the results.
Everything looks fine, blod pressure, liver enzyms, etc. but the cholesterol profile is severely impacted.

I have lost 26 point on HDL. I have got 14 and it should be between 40 and 59!
My doctor wants to check it again in 6 or 8 weeks. He doesn't know that I am taking AAS.

Now I dont know what to do. Here are my questions?

1) Shall I tell the doctor that I am taking AAS?
That could be a bad idea because here (in Germany) they are very restrictive on that.
He is gonna say "stop immediately, and dont do it again!"

2) Can I keep on doing my cycle (next week i was supposed to add some Parabolan)?
I could move my next visit to the doctor when the cycle is over.

3) Can HDL go lower than that? Is there any short term threat to fear?

4) Is anything out there to help with the cholesterol issue?


Your advice is highly appreciated.

T-RAPTOR

[redspy]

HDL supression is obviously quite common when using AAS. To answer your questions:-

1. I wouldn't tell your doctor, there's very little value in doing so and there is a risk of your insurance company finding out.

2. I would continue the cycle although I'd probably drop the planned tren/para dosing a bit.

3. In the short term your HDL isn't a major problem, but it's something you should start working on immediately to reduce the chance of it going lower.

4. Supps like those mention above will help in terms of lowering LDL, also consider adding plant sterols (products like Cholest Off) . These supps won't do much for boosting HDL though. Fish oil may help increase your HDL, but given the supressing effects of AAS it won't do much while you're on cycle. Statin drugs will be much more effective than supplements, but they do tend to deplete your body's CoQ10 levels.

Also, cardio and lots of fiber will help.

If you want to take a deeper dive check out this post - http://ironarena.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64

[Southernjuice]

Hummm I see nowhwere in his post where he says he's taking tren guys....i would suspect the proviron and var. Winny really screws my numbers. But as mentioned above...look to the natural remedies to help with cholesterol......grapeseed extract is another good one also and if you are not getting enough add fiber to your diet.

[t-raptor]

Hey guys,
thank you all, that's quite a bit of info.

I tend to agree with Southernjuice.
The cause of it was probably the massive ammount of VAR I have been taking during the first 3 weeks.

Redspy, your forum on ironarena is outstanding!

That's what I am gonna do:

- Increase the cardio to 30min/day (I use to do 2 x 30min/week)

- Substitute the coffe (i drink rather a lot of it) with green tea

- Cut completely any fat from animal origin, and add fiber to my diet

- Try the supps recommended from "That Dude"

Concerning my cycle - I will probably avoid Tren this time - OR reduce it to a minimal 225 mg/week for no more than 5 weeks.

Concerning the appointment to the doctor, I will move it after the cycle is completed.

1 MORE QUESTION:
How long does it usually take for the cholesterol level to normalize (after cycle)???

thanks again for your support

T-RAPTOR

[Southernjuice]

Hey guys,
thank you all, that's quite a bit of info.

I tend to agree with Southernjuice.
The cause of it was probably the massive ammount of VAR I have been taking during the first 3 weeks.

Redspy, your forum on ironarena is outstanding!

That's what I am gonna do:

- Increase the cardio to 30min/day (I use to do 2 x 30min/week)

- Substitute the coffe (i drink rather a lot of it) with green tea

- Cut completely any fat from animal origin, and add fiber to my diet

- Try the supps recommended from "That Dude"

Concerning my cycle - I will probably avoid Tren this time - OR reduce it to a minimal 225 mg/week for no more than 5 weeks.

Concerning the appointment to the doctor, I will move it after the cycle is completed.

1 MORE QUESTION:
How long does it usually take for the cholesterol level to normalize (after cycle)???

thanks again for your support

T-RAPTOR

Could take several months to normalize bro. Always takes longer to fix stuff....dayem it does'nt take no time to break it though huh? Goodluck, sounds like your on track to take care of your prob.

[redspy]

Hey guys,
thank you all, that's quite a bit of info.

I tend to agree with Southernjuice.
The cause of it was probably the massive ammount of VAR I have been taking during the first 3 weeks.

Redspy, your forum on ironarena is outstanding!

That's what I am gonna do:

- Increase the cardio to 30min/day (I use to do 2 x 30min/week)

- Substitute the coffe (i drink rather a lot of it) with green tea

- Cut completely any fat from animal origin, and add fiber to my diet

- Try the supps recommended from "That Dude"

Concerning my cycle - I will probably avoid Tren this time - OR reduce it to a minimal 225 mg/week for no more than 5 weeks.

Concerning the appointment to the doctor, I will move it after the cycle is completed.

1 MORE QUESTION:
How long does it usually take for the cholesterol level to normalize (after cycle)???

thanks again for your support

T-RAPTOR

Looks like a good plan. As SJ said, it could take a few months to get back on track.

[BD_554]

I AGREE WITH THE ABOVE, JUST DO NOT UNDER ESTIMATE THE POWER OF NATURAL SUPPLEMENTS. I PERSONALLY TAKE NIACIN, UDO'S OIL, LOTS OF WATER, GRAPESEED EXTRACT, AND A GOOD DIET LOW IN ANIMAL FATS AND HIGH IN FIBER. THIS USUALLY CLEARS UP THE PROBLEM FOR ME IN ABOUT 4-6WEEKS, BUT THEN AGAIN I USE SOME OF THESE PRACTICES YEAR ROUND.

[Hazcat]

Great answers....flaxseed oil, Udos, fish oil....there's nothing I can add. Hope it works out for ya!

[Thinkbig]

RED YEAST RICE!!!

NATURAL SOURCE OF SEVERAL STATINS, AND ITS AN OTC SOLD IN MOST GOOD HEALTH FOOD STORES...

WORKS EXCELLENT, I CAN ATTEST TO THAT...

[mikeheavypecs]

I had the same thing happen to me. My HDL dropped to 9!! My Internist went wild. Of course, I didn't tell her why. HOWEVER, she prescribed me Niaspan which increased the HDL. My Bro is a doc and I talked to him about it; he agrees with the usage of Niaspan. Ask you doctor for it; it increased the HDL at least to 20 for now.

Mike