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#1 big shawn

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Posted 02 February 2007 - 08:02 AM

I know a few of us are using this product but just started it!!Is there anyone that has been on it for alittle while that can input sides,advantages, etc.I'm sure THINKBIG can so lets here it.

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Posted 02 February 2007 - 09:04 AM

WELL BRO, USP HAS "SOME" GOOD PRODUCTS, THE THING I DON'T LIKE ABOUT THEM, IS THAT UNLESS YOU KNOW YOUR SHIT, MOST GUYS HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY ARE TAKING.

THEY SEE THE LIST OF INGREDIENTS AND THINK THEY ARE TAKING SOME "NOVEl" COMPOUND, BUT ITS JUST HERBS, WHIH ISNT A BAD THING, IT SIMPLY IS WHAT IT IS.

LETS START WITH THE FIRST INGREDIENT: PHELLODENDRON AMURENSE, THIS IS EXTRACTED FOR BURBERINE HCL.

BURBERINE IN ANIMAL STUDIES, HAS BEEN SHOWN TO ACT IN PART BY ACTIVATING THE ENZYME(s) IN THE MUSCLE AND LIVER THAT ARE MOST INVOLVED IN IMPROVING INSULIN SENSITIVITY.

NEXT WE HAVE: LAGERSTROEMIA SPECIOSA, WHICH IS ACTUALLY JUST THE COMMON HERB, BANABA.

BANABA CONTAINS A SORT OF PHYTO INSULIN (READ, PLANT INSULIN), ITS VERY HIGH IN COROSOLIC ACID AND ITS FOR THOSE REASONS ITS USED IN MANY DIABETES TREATMENTS.

ITS THROUGH THESE TWO HERBS AND THERE CONSTITUENTS, THAT THE FFECTS OF A PUMP, AND ALSO WEIGHT LOSS ARE GARNERED, CONTROLLING BLOOD SUGAR IS IMPROTANT FOR WEIGHT LOSS, AS WELL AS IT WILL DRIVE GLUCOSE INTO MUSCLE TISSUE TO BE STORED AS GLYCOGEN RATHER THAN INTO FAT TO BE STORED AS FATTY ACIDS, THIS IS THE MECHANISM OF ACTION BEHIND THE "PUMP" EFFECT OF THE PRODUCT.

#3 big shawn

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Posted 02 February 2007 - 10:41 AM

QUOTE(Thinkbig @ Feb 1 2007, 07:04 PM) View Post

WELL BRO, USP HAS "SOME" GOOD PRODUCTS, THE THING I DON'T LIKE ABOUT THEM, IS THAT UNLESS YOU KNOW YOUR SHIT, MOST GUYS HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY ARE TAKING.

THEY SEE THE LIST OF INGREDIENTS AND THINK THEY ARE TAKING SOME "NOVEl" COMPOUND, BUT ITS JUST HERBS, WHIH ISNT A BAD THING, IT SIMPLY IS WHAT IT IS.

LETS START WITH THE FIRST INGREDIENT: PHELLODENDRON AMURENSE, THIS IS EXTRACTED FOR BURBERINE HCL.

BURBERINE IN ANIMAL STUDIES, HAS BEEN SHOWN TO ACT IN PART BY ACTIVATING THE ENZYME(s) IN THE MUSCLE AND LIVER THAT ARE MOST INVOLVED IN IMPROVING INSULIN SENSITIVITY.

NEXT WE HAVE: LAGERSTROEMIA SPECIOSA, WHICH IS ACTUALLY JUST THE COMMON HERB, BANABA.

BANABA CONTAINS A SORT OF PHYTO INSULIN (READ, PLANT INSULIN), ITS VERY HIGH IN COROSOLIC ACID AND ITS FOR THOSE REASONS ITS USED IN MANY DIABETES TREATMENTS.

ITS THROUGH THESE TWO HERBS AND THERE CONSTITUENTS, THAT THE FFECTS OF A PUMP, AND ALSO WEIGHT LOSS ARE GARNERED, CONTROLLING BLOOD SUGAR IS IMPROTANT FOR WEIGHT LOSS, AS WELL AS IT WILL DRIVE GLUCOSE INTO MUSCLE TISSUE TO BE STORED AS GLYCOGEN RATHER THAN INTO FAT TO BE STORED AS FATTY ACIDS, THIS IS THE MECHANISM OF ACTION BEHIND THE "PUMP" EFFECT OF THE PRODUCT.



Yes bro thank you this is what i waws told by the guy i got this from and he stressed the importance of complex carbs and to always keep a oatmeal bar with you for safety.So my ?? have you tried this product becouse i know you have acces to pretty much all supps.i am just trying to figure out what to look for in long term

#4 Thinkbig

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Posted 02 February 2007 - 11:05 AM

I HAVE USED IT, YES.

IMO, IT IS A "GOOD" SUPPLEMENT, BUT MOST OF THOSE HERBS ARE AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE IN THEIR EXTRACT FORMS, AND YOU COULD MAKE YOUR OWN "TWEAKED" VERSION OF THIS EASILY AND FAR, FAR, CHEAPER, WITH A LITTLE BIT OF KNOWLEDGE.

PERSONALLY, I THINK THAT USING MOMORDICA CHIRIANTIA EXTRACT, AKA "BITTER MELON" ALONG WITH THIS, WOULD POTENTIATE THE EFFECTS QUITE A BIT.

THE PUMPS WILL BE GOOD, HOWEVER, THE WEIGHT LOSS WILL NOT BE SEEN IF YOU ARE IN A HYPER CALORIC STAGE.

THIS IS REALLY NO DIFFERENT THAN USING ANY OTHER INSULIN POTENTIATOR, SUCH AS: BIOTIN, ALA, BITTER MELON, D-PINITOL, GYMNEMA SYLVESTRE, COROSOLIC ACID, ETC.

ALOS, BTW, THIS SUPPLEMENT IS NOT NOVEL IN ANY WAY, DO NOT TRY AND LET ANYONE TELL YOU IT IS, THIS USE OF LAGERSTROEMIA SPECIOSA, AS A BODYBUILDING SUPPLEMENT, WAS FIRST DONE ABOUT 7-8 YEARS AGO, WHEN PINNACLE HAD A PRODUCT CALLED "INSULENE", LAGERSTROEMIA SPECIOSA, WAS THE KEY INGREDIENT HERE.

MATTER OF FACT THE TWO MAIN INGREDIANTS IN THIS "YELLOW GOLD/ANABOLIC PUMP" ARE BASICALLY COPY CATS OF INSULENE FROM PINNACLE ABOUT 7-8 YEARS AGO.

#5 big shawn

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Posted 02 February 2007 - 11:09 AM

QUOTE(Thinkbig @ Feb 1 2007, 09:05 PM) View Post

I HAVE USED IT, YES.

IMO, IT IS A "GOOD" SUPPLEMENT, BUT MOST OF THOSE HERBS ARE AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE IN THEIR EXTRACT FORMS, AND YOU COULD MAKE YOUR OWN "TWEAKED" VERSION OF THIS EASILY AND FAR, FAR, CHEAPER, WITH A LITTLE BIT OF KNOWLEDGE.

PERSONALLY, I THINK THAT USING MOMORDICA CHIRIANTIA EXTRACT, AKA "BITTER MELON" ALONG WITH THIS, WOULD POTENTIATE THE EFFECTS QUITE A BIT.

THE PUMPS WILL BE GOOD, HOWEVER, THE WEIGHT LOSS WILL NOT BE SEEN IF YOU ARE IN A HYPER CALORIC STAGE.

THIS IS REALLY NO DIFFERENT THAN USING ANY OTHER INSULIN POTENTIATOR, SUCH AS: BIOTIN, ALA, BITTER MELON, D-PINITOL, GYMNEMA SYLVESTRE, COROSOLIC ACID, ETC.

ALOS, BTW, THIS SUPPLEMENT IS NOT NOVEL IN ANY WAY, DO NOT TRY AND LET ANYONE TELL YOU IT IS, THIS USE OF LAGERSTROEMIA SPECIOSA, AS A BODYBUILDING SUPPLEMENT, WAS FIRST DONE ABOUT 7-8 YEARS AGO, WHEN PINNACLE HAD A PRODUCT CALLED "INSULENE", LAGERSTROEMIA SPECIOSA, WAS THE KEY INGREDIENT HERE.

MATTER OF FACT THE TWO MAIN INGREDIANTS IN THIS "YELLOW GOLD/ANABOLIC PUMP" ARE BASICALLY COPY CATS OF INSULENE FROM PINNACLE ABOUT 7-8 YEARS AGO.





OH shit that is why this stuff sounded familiar i remember the pinnacle stuff.Well i got it free so fuck it why not!!LOL Thanks for all the help on it bro

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Posted 02 February 2007 - 11:29 AM

NO PROB, THATS EXACTLY WHY I USED IT, I GOT IT FREE TOO wink.gif

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Posted 02 February 2007 - 11:37 AM

QUOTE(Thinkbig @ Feb 1 2007, 09:05 PM) View Post

I HAVE USED IT, YES.

IMO, IT IS A "GOOD" SUPPLEMENT, BUT MOST OF THOSE HERBS ARE AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE IN THEIR EXTRACT FORMS, AND YOU COULD MAKE YOUR OWN "TWEAKED" VERSION OF THIS EASILY AND FAR, FAR, CHEAPER, WITH A LITTLE BIT OF KNOWLEDGE.

PERSONALLY, I THINK THAT USING MOMORDICA CHIRIANTIA EXTRACT, AKA "BITTER MELON" ALONG WITH THIS, WOULD POTENTIATE THE EFFECTS QUITE A BIT.

THE PUMPS WILL BE GOOD, HOWEVER, THE WEIGHT LOSS WILL NOT BE SEEN IF YOU ARE IN A HYPER CALORIC STAGE.

THIS IS REALLY NO DIFFERENT THAN USING ANY OTHER INSULIN POTENTIATOR, SUCH AS: BIOTIN, ALA, BITTER MELON, D-PINITOL, GYMNEMA SYLVESTRE, COROSOLIC ACID, ETC.

ALOS, BTW, THIS SUPPLEMENT IS NOT NOVEL IN ANY WAY, DO NOT TRY AND LET ANYONE TELL YOU IT IS, THIS USE OF LAGERSTROEMIA SPECIOSA, AS A BODYBUILDING SUPPLEMENT, WAS FIRST DONE ABOUT 7-8 YEARS AGO, WHEN PINNACLE HAD A PRODUCT CALLED "INSULENE", LAGERSTROEMIA SPECIOSA, WAS THE KEY INGREDIENT HERE.

MATTER OF FACT THE TWO MAIN INGREDIANTS IN THIS "YELLOW GOLD/ANABOLIC PUMP" ARE BASICALLY COPY CATS OF INSULENE FROM PINNACLE ABOUT 7-8 YEARS AGO.



ThinkBig - I didn't know you knew about supplements. Man - we'll have to compare notes sometime. (I'm a rep for Serious Nutrition Solutions - so I get to help with new shit.)

I thought there was some other compound in AP (not YG) - I think USP used 3 things. I'm not remembering it right off the top of my head - I'll go to Anabolicminds to find it.


I took this stuff as Yellow Gold - which was by far THE WORST tasting shit I've had in my life. I've tasted some bad supps - CEE, BCAA's, sulbutiamine - but that was damn awful.
So glad he put out a capped version.

My results would be different from what you guys would see - I think YG was just 2 things - I think what TB mentioned above. It wasn't just berberine - I've got berberine from Nutrplanet and it doesn't taste the same.
I did use this stuff from mid-December to whenever it ran out around Jan 10th to help keep off the fat gain over Xmas as I couldn't train much due to being out of town.
I have to say that this is probably the best cheat meal supp I've taken. I ate a TON - and had pretty minimal fat gain. I did very little exercise from mid-Dec to the first of the year.
Since going off of YG (still not lifting due to a bum rear deltoid angry.gif ) - I've slowly weened myself off the cheat foods (damn that is hard) and I've noticed more fat gain in my abdominal area.

I'd buy it again - but not for more than $35. ($45 or whatever is too much IMO for a month's worth of non-anabolic substances.)

Anyway - just my take.

#8 Thinkbig

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Posted 02 February 2007 - 11:43 AM

YEAH, I GOT A SUPPLEMENT STORE, BEEN IN THE INDUSTRY SINCE I WAS 16.

I am looking at a bottle of it now, and ist lists it as:


Serving Size: 1 Capsule
Servings Per Container: 90

Amount Per Serving:

P-Insulin 500mg
(Extract engineered from Phellodendron HCl), Tannins Complex (Extract engineered from Lagerstroemia speciosa).

Other Ingredients:
Gelatin, cellulose.


QUOTE(Jmh80 @ Feb 2 2007, 12:37 AM) View Post

QUOTE(Thinkbig @ Feb 1 2007, 09:05 PM) View Post

I HAVE USED IT, YES.

IMO, IT IS A "GOOD" SUPPLEMENT, BUT MOST OF THOSE HERBS ARE AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE IN THEIR EXTRACT FORMS, AND YOU COULD MAKE YOUR OWN "TWEAKED" VERSION OF THIS EASILY AND FAR, FAR, CHEAPER, WITH A LITTLE BIT OF KNOWLEDGE.

PERSONALLY, I THINK THAT USING MOMORDICA CHIRIANTIA EXTRACT, AKA "BITTER MELON" ALONG WITH THIS, WOULD POTENTIATE THE EFFECTS QUITE A BIT.

THE PUMPS WILL BE GOOD, HOWEVER, THE WEIGHT LOSS WILL NOT BE SEEN IF YOU ARE IN A HYPER CALORIC STAGE.

THIS IS REALLY NO DIFFERENT THAN USING ANY OTHER INSULIN POTENTIATOR, SUCH AS: BIOTIN, ALA, BITTER MELON, D-PINITOL, GYMNEMA SYLVESTRE, COROSOLIC ACID, ETC.

ALOS, BTW, THIS SUPPLEMENT IS NOT NOVEL IN ANY WAY, DO NOT TRY AND LET ANYONE TELL YOU IT IS, THIS USE OF LAGERSTROEMIA SPECIOSA, AS A BODYBUILDING SUPPLEMENT, WAS FIRST DONE ABOUT 7-8 YEARS AGO, WHEN PINNACLE HAD A PRODUCT CALLED "INSULENE", LAGERSTROEMIA SPECIOSA, WAS THE KEY INGREDIENT HERE.

MATTER OF FACT THE TWO MAIN INGREDIANTS IN THIS "YELLOW GOLD/ANABOLIC PUMP" ARE BASICALLY COPY CATS OF INSULENE FROM PINNACLE ABOUT 7-8 YEARS AGO.



ThinkBig - I didn't know you knew about supplements. Man - we'll have to compare notes sometime. (I'm a rep for Serious Nutrition Solutions - so I get to help with new shit.)

I thought there was some other compound in AP (not YG) - I think USP used 3 things. I'm not remembering it right off the top of my head - I'll go to Anabolicminds to find it.


I took this stuff as Yellow Gold - which was by far THE WORST tasting shit I've had in my life. I've tasted some bad supps - CEE, BCAA's, sulbutiamine - but that was damn awful.
So glad he put out a capped version.

My results would be different from what you guys would see - I think YG was just 2 things - I think what TB mentioned above. It wasn't just berberine - I've got berberine from Nutrplanet and it doesn't taste the same.
I did use this stuff from mid-December to whenever it ran out around Jan 10th to help keep off the fat gain over Xmas as I couldn't train much due to being out of town.
I have to say that this is probably the best cheat meal supp I've taken. I ate a TON - and had pretty minimal fat gain. I did very little exercise from mid-Dec to the first of the year.
Since going off of YG (still not lifting due to a bum rear deltoid angry.gif ) - I've slowly weened myself off the cheat foods (damn that is hard) and I've noticed more fat gain in my abdominal area.

I'd buy it again - but not for more than $35. ($45 or whatever is too much IMO for a month's worth of non-anabolic substances.)

Anyway - just my take.




imo, bitter melon in a high enough extract % wopuld do the same plus more.

theres a reason why insulene stopped being made by pinnacle, mainly because results where not as good as they had hoped for.

i have nothing against usp, i just don't like that they pitched this as being something new/novel, when its a re-make of an 8 year old discontinued supplement from pinnacle.

Tb-

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Posted 02 February 2007 - 11:49 AM

Cool man.

Correct me if I'm wrong - but did Masculene have the Insulene complex in it? (Or whatever they called the insulin-memicking portion.)

If so - I took a few bottles of Masculene I got dirt cheap from Ebay a few years ago.

Uhh - I thought I had an avatar on here last night. It was a Miami Hurricanes gif - was that not OK or something TB???

(It's the same one that I have on WWBB...)

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Posted 02 February 2007 - 11:52 AM

QUOTE(Jmh80 @ Feb 2 2007, 12:47 AM) View Post

Cool man.

Correct me if I'm wrong - but did Masculene have the Insulene complex in it? (Or whatever they called the insulin-memicking portion.)

If so - I took a few bottles of Masculene I got dirt cheap from Ebay a few years ago.


NO, IT CONTAINED WHAT THEY CALLED A GLUCOCOMPLEX SYSTE, ( LMAO...) WHICH CONTAINED:

GLUCOCOMPLEX (FENUGREEK STANDARDIZED FOR 4-HYDROXYISOLEUCINE), (MYRICA CERIFERA STANDARDIZED FOR MYRICETIN)

SURE IT WAS OK BRO, I DUNNO WHAT HAPPENED TO IT...

SOMETIMES THE AVIES ON THIS BOARD DON'T SHOW, BUT THEY COME BACK.

HAPPENS TO ME ALOT.

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Posted 02 February 2007 - 11:57 AM

Ahhh - I do remember the 4-OH-iso.

Ok on the Av - will go load it again.
I'm gonna cruise around the board some more. Let's talk supps again TB.

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Posted 02 February 2007 - 12:01 PM

ANYTIME BRO.

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Posted 02 February 2007 - 12:15 PM

I got it free too. smile.gif

So far so good I guess.

Definately got the "Anabolic Dump" going with plenty of gas to go along with it.

One thing that I'm dissapointed in is that people have said they dont get bloated after the carb meals. I have no difference after a carb meal. Still bloated like normal depending on how many carbs I take in.

QUOTE(Thinkbig @ Feb 1 2007, 08:01 PM) View Post

ANYTIME BRO.

Great info TB.

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Posted 02 February 2007 - 12:25 PM

I'm bloated all the time, Scheizekopf. tongue.gif


I figured out what's wrong with my av - I used the link from WWBB. Is there something wrong w/ WWBB? The site wouldn't load - gave me some error.

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Posted 02 February 2007 - 01:49 PM

QUOTE(Jmh80 @ Feb 2 2007, 01:25 AM) View Post

I'm bloated all the time, Scheizekopf. tongue.gif


I figured out what's wrong with my av - I used the link from WWBB. Is there something wrong w/ WWBB? The site wouldn't load - gave me some error.


AHH, THATS WHY...

WWBB IS DOWN TEMPORARILY, JUST UNTIL WE GET THE SERVER ISSUE DEALT WITH.

THERE WILL BE SOME CHANGES FOR THE BETTER COMING SOON AS WELL.





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