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[ajdos]

Have any of you tried using DNP while bulking in order to reduce bf accumulation?
It seems to me that it would not work very well unless you used it for short say 10 day cyles at points with at least 10-20 days off of it in between- this is just a hypothesis I have come up with from my readings- I have no personal experience but would like to hear from those that do.

[Strateg0s]

DNP will burn fat weather you are cutting or bulking. If despite this fatburning, you are eating in such a way as to still put on fat, then you can limit that through the use of fibrates or (to a lesser extent) their OTC counterpart, high dosed sesamin. Obviously even then there are limits to the fat reduction which can be accomplished while bulking. You can push those limits even more by using slin + GH to direct your caloric intake away from fat storage, but there are always limits.

[ajdos]

Thanks Strat you know I forgot all about fibrates- however based on my limited understanding of DNP you are gonna have a caloric deficit created by DNP - seems to me that with that deficit it would be difficult to get any growth as it requires caloric surplus- I guess the issue is to balance between the two. BUt thanks for bringing up those other points I hadnt even thought about considering them- I have forgotten more than I have learned LOL!

[macjohn64]

only used it for dieting but i ate anything i wanted ( mcdonalds, burgerking, pizza ) and still lost 25lb in 8 weeks. i hope i can do again here in a few weeks. i think you will be ok. you can eat and burn fat at the same time.

[Strateg0s]

Thanks Strat you know I forgot all about fibrates- however based on my limited understanding of DNP you are gonna have a caloric deficit created by DNP - seems to me that with that deficit it would be difficult to get any growth as it requires caloric surplus- I guess the issue is to balance between the two. BUt thanks for bringing up those other points I hadnt even thought about considering them- I have forgotten more than I have learned LOL!

You can be in a state of net caloric deficit because of DNP use (depending obviously on your diet), but still in a positive nitrogen balance because of AAS. Concentrate your carb intakes around times when they will feed the muscles (particularly if you are using GH and slin PWO, and in the morning), and they cannot end up being deposited as fats. Keep your protein intake high, and your fats very healthy (fish oil, MCT, lecithin, etc.), and much of the energy DNP will be drawing will preferentially come from your fat stores. Fibrates will help keep your lost fat off, instead of coming back with the next meal, or big cheat meal. With all of these factors together, plus strenuous exercise of course, and some morning cardio, almost anyone should be able to truly perform a lean bulk, unless you are truly near the end of the line in terms of packing on new muscle.

[ajdos]

Thanks Strat you know I forgot all about fibrates- however based on my limited understanding of DNP you are gonna have a caloric deficit created by DNP - seems to me that with that deficit it would be difficult to get any growth as it requires caloric surplus- I guess the issue is to balance between the two. BUt thanks for bringing up those other points I hadnt even thought about considering them- I have forgotten more than I have learned LOL!

You can be in a state of net caloric deficit because of DNP use (depending obviously on your diet), but still in a positive nitrogen balance because of AAS. Concentrate your carb intakes around times when they will feed the muscles (particularly if you are using GH and slin PWO, and in the morning), and they cannot end up being deposited as fats. Keep your protein intake high, and your fats very healthy (fish oil, MCT, lecithin, etc.), and much of the energy DNP will be drawing will preferentially come from your fat stores. Fibrates will help keep your lost fat off, instead of coming back with the next meal, or big cheat meal. With all of these factors together, plus strenuous exercise of course, and some morning cardio, almost anyone should be able to truly perform a lean bulk, unless you are truly near the end of the line in terms of packing on new muscle.

Thanks for all the great info Strat- I have never used DNP so I want to learn everything about applying it in a bulk situation- fibrates are more appealing to me however- as I am still decent on clean eating and doing morning cardio on empty stomach 4-6 times a weeks schedule allowing.

[Ms.Wetback]

DNP ................ just be careful AJ. Seen a number of people drop from it, some cooked themselves internally and some just had an allergic reaction.

[ajdos]

DNP ................ just be careful AJ. Seen a number of people drop from it, some cooked themselves internally and some just had an allergic reaction.

Im only researching right now I have steadfastly resisted the alure of quick fat burning- my angle would be less is better especially since I want some of the cals to be used for growth.
I would prefer fibrates as I am good with my diet and really need a fat prevenative more than a fat burner.

[Anabolic Beast]

I would not recommend DNP durring a bulking or mass building phase. You will not have the energy to lift hard or heavy when on DNP. Also any physical activity will make you feel like you are burning up and you will lose a great deal of water through sweating. Remember your core body temp is elevated through DNP use. Also eating carbs will trigger an increase in body temp and make you sweat profusely. If you've heard the term about being in DNP Hell. let me assure you if you try it you'll know what it is. Even walking is an effort, and don't get me started about the night sweats.

[Strateg0s]

Most of these effects come from people using foolish doses of DNP. 500-800mg, when they could use 200mg for a longer period of time much more safely and with less side effects.

[billthebutcher]

I will add my .02

BE CAREFULL that stuff is no joke

[ajdos]

Thanks for all the great info everyone- I am just in the research phase and I dont think it will be anytime soon that I will try it and at this point it would be in a dieting phase where bf reduction would be the goal.

[razg]

When it comes to fibrate class drugs/supplements, my personal recommendation is gemfibrozil - I used it at as little at 600mg/day. I have also used fenofibrate and sesamin (at varying dosages), and found both of them far less effective.

[Anabolic Beast]

Most of these effects come from people using foolish doses of DNP. 500-800mg, when they could use 200mg for a longer period of time much more safely and with less side effects.

Not that it matters, but I used 400mg per day, based on my body weight I could have gone as high as 600mg per day and would have been within what many would argue as an acceptable threshold. Whether my doses were "foolish" is simply a matter of opinion and I'm not going to argue what constitutes a foolish dosage. Let me just say that before I took the first dose, I did extensive research on DNP and strongly advise anyone considering its use to do the same. As Butcher Bill said, be careful with this stuff, it's no joke.

[bigbadboy4life]

The toughest part I think is going to be training to the max that is required to bulk.. When I've ran DNP before, I wqs so tired all the time.. I dreaded going to the gym and if I used half of the weight I would normally use, that would have been an achievement. I got so weak on DNP that I couldn't imagine gaines during a DNP cycle..
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