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[bigguns55]

First some stats: I'm 35, 5'11", and currently weigh about 275lbs. I've been on AAS for about 3 years straight. Been on GH for last year. Having decided that I'm done with competition and wanting to devote more time to my family, i've decided to come off my cycle.

Any advice on what protocol I should use to come off?? I've used pretty heavy doses these last few years.

I realize that 3 years straight isn't the smartest thing I could've done, but it's too late to worry about that now.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

[deadweight]

I have been on mow for over 4 years straight so here is my advice...You will need to taper down your doses over an extended period of time and while doing so, start running hcg at 500iu's every third day...Tapering should take about 4 weeks. Afterward you will run a standard pct with arimidex, nolvadex for the first 2 weeks followed by nolvadex, clomid, dropping the arimidex...I would also reccommend a weekly shot of hcg @ 500iu's for the first 4 weeks of pct....Pct in this case will probably run 8 weeks or more...High protein diet and continue training...

You're not alone ive been useing stright for 8 years now....No the smartess thing to do but it becomes a daily routine and a daily way of life...Mr shoulders hit the nail on the head .taper down and i dont know about the ghg....I never used the stuff but everything eles i would follow what he said.....Deff keep the high protein going.

[deadweight]

I also wantted to add,good luck bro,It gonna be a hell of a ride without the use of AAS...Im sure it will be more mental then anything...Maybe you might also want to invest in some natrual testerone bosters....And maybe start useing good b-12 injections.What you're doing is a major fear for every day users ....Keep us posted with you're progress...Im sure many others have used for years and would like to know the outcome....dw

[BD Cool]

I have been on mow for over 4 years straight so here is my advice...You will need to taper down your doses over an extended period of time and while doing so, start running hcg at 500iu's every third day...Tapering should take about 4 weeks. Afterward you will run a standard pct with arimidex, nolvadex for the first 2 weeks followed by nolvadex, clomid, dropping the arimidex...I would also reccommend a weekly shot of hcg @ 500iu's for the first 4 weeks of pct....Pct in this case will probably run 8 weeks or more...High protein diet and continue training...

Excellent advice here. However, I would taper down a little longer... maybe about 8 weeks or so. From a psychological standpoint the long taper would help me come off easier.

[darthness]

you may finish being a top candidate for TRT or HRT. if possible, monitor those blood levels. the high usage for an extended period and your age, you may be on for life like many of us 40 year olds hanging here.

[piotr]

I have been on mow for over 4 years straight so here is my advice...You will need to taper down your doses over an extended period of time and while doing so, start running hcg at 500iu's every third day...Tapering should take about 4 weeks. Afterward you will run a standard pct with arimidex, nolvadex for the first 2 weeks followed by nolvadex, clomid, dropping the arimidex...I would also reccommend a weekly shot of hcg @ 500iu's for the first 4 weeks of pct....Pct in this case will probably run 8 weeks or more...High protein diet and continue training...

i would consider what SHOULDERS laid out the best you can do under the circumstances ... just keep your fingers crossed that your axis is still elastic enough to bounce back ... i think with sufficiently aggressive PCT like he laid out you'll be OK ... your not over the hill yet !!... i think your biggest challenge as DW said was mentally adjusting to a different way of life ... the longest i was ever on was only about a year and i found it very difficult to adjust being off ... it'll be different for each individual i guess...

BEST OF LUCK BRO

piotr

[gogotren]

I would try doing some igf also when tapering down. I finished my last cycle (only 12 weeks) but did igf the last 4 weeks and have only lost 1lb in 4 weeks since my last shot... I gained 20lbs total.

[bigguns55]

thanks for all the great advice. I've been using for 17 years on and off. Typically I've only come off when there was too much going on in my life. The mental thing has always been the hardest. I'm going to start tapering my dosages beginning in July and try to come off all AAS in September. I plan on continuing gh at low doses 'cause that has done wonders for me anti-aging wise.

I will keep all ya'll posted.

[deadweight]

thanks for all the great advice. I've been using for 17 years on and off. Typically I've only come off when there was too much going on in my life. The mental thing has always been the hardest. I'm going to start tapering my dosages beginning in July and try to come off all AAS in September. I plan on continuing gh at low doses 'cause that has done wonders for me anti-aging wise.

I will keep all ya'll posted.

Def keep us posted bro.....Hopefully you can maintain most of what you worked for so long....The fear of coming off is the fear that keeps me on the wangon....Much of luck to ya bro!

[Cowboytroy]

Good luck bro...... i feel for you bro.

[Razor D]

testims or andro-gel would really help in this situation ...IMO

[deadweight]

testims or andro-gel would really help in this situation ...IMO

I would agree ....if he can get the stuff?dw

[Ms.Wetback]

Like Darth said, monitor your blood levels and don't be surprised if you are a candidate for HRT. You are probably going to feel like crap for some time and might even fall into a mild depression...........keep this in mind as you transition. It will be hell on you mentally but worth it in the end when your body can return to "normal".

[BLUESTORM]

I ran hard and heavy for a good while as well.
I'm a little younger than you and I took every precaution I could think of when coming off. It took a good while to recover, but I maintained everything. Other than not looking really cut up, I still weigh exactly the same, and wear all the same size clothes.
Tapering the dose(s) is really not going to do much after being on so long. You ARE shut down and your body is totally dependent upon the exogenous hormones at this point.
I did end my run with short esters though. I didn't taper my doses, but I did lower the total amount of androgens/anabolics overall. I don't think I ever ran a single compound unless I was trying it out for the first time to gauge it effectiveness.
You definitely need to shock your testes back into working. HCG is a must. After being on so long, the problem is not getting LH back in check, it is getting the testes to respond to the LH. After your body has been dependent upon the exogenous hormones for so long, your testes become desensitized to any effects of endogenous LH. No matter what you do with your doses when you start to come off, your body is only recognizing an overload of androgens. Your body has to realize there is an actual decrease or deficit of overall androgen presence to even begin the process of restoring testosterone production. Tapering will have little effect at this point.
Start out with an AI as your cycle descends. Aromasin would be a wise choice. I would add in IGF as well. It has really great benefits in restoring the testes function. If you can run a good 4 weeks on(during the ending of the cycle), then off for 4, and back on during your "PCT" time. HMG is definitely worth getting if you can find it right now.
HCG is going to be a must, but you'll get varying opinons on it. Almost any protocol for HCG has worked for someone so there is almost no way to go wrong with it. But getting a good shock to the testes to restore their ability to respond to LH is going to be very important.
Lupron and Formestane are some other ideal products(if you can find them).

And as said above, you might end up being a TRT candidate at this point.

[ruffneck]

I ran hard and heavy for a good while as well.
I'm a little younger than you and I took every precaution I could think of when coming off. It took a good while to recover, but I maintained everything. Other than not looking really cut up, I still weigh exactly the same, and wear all the same size clothes.
Tapering the dose(s) is really not going to do much after being on so long. You ARE shut down and your body is totally dependent upon the exogenous hormones at this point.
I did end my run with short esters though. I didn't taper my doses, but I did lower the total amount of androgens/anabolics overall. I don't think I ever ran a single compound unless I was trying it out for the first time to gauge it effectiveness.
You definitely need to shock your testes back into working. HCG is a must. After being on so long, the problem is not getting LH back in check, it is getting the testes to respond to the LH. After your body has been dependent upon the exogenous hormones for so long, your testes become desensitized to any effects of endogenous LH. No matter what you do with your doses when you start to come off, your body is only recognizing an overload of androgens. Your body has to realize there is an actual decrease or deficit of overall androgen presence to even begin the process of restoring testosterone production. Tapering will have little effect at this point.
Start out with an AI as your cycle descends. Aromasin would be a wise choice. I would add in IGF as well. It has really great benefits in restoring the testes function. If you can run a good 4 weeks on(during the ending of the cycle), then off for 4, and back on during your "PCT" time. HMG is definitely worth getting if you can find it right now.
HCG is going to be a must, but you'll get varying opinons on it. Almost any protocol for HCG has worked for someone so there is almost no way to go wrong with it. But getting a good shock to the testes to restore their ability to respond to LH is going to be very important.
Lupron and Formestane are some other ideal products(if you can find them).

And as said above, you might end up being a TRT candidate at this point.

I agree with Bluestorm 100%. By tapering off, you are only delaying the inevitable. As he said if have been on for 3 years straight, you are completely shut down. Only if you taper down to below 250mg a week is your body going to try and start to produce test again, and it will not try very hard to get in then because it still senses that you have some test in your system. If you want your body to try and start producing on its own then you need to not taper. Just quit run the AI and HCG jus like suggested. I have only used the IGF once with a PCT. I could not tell a whole lot of difference but if you have it available then use it because you are going to need all the help you can get. Nolva and/or Clomid for at least 6weeks. You may experience some milld testes pain with the HCG but that is normal.

As already said the mental aspect is hell but if you have had any injuries in the past then the joint pain and muscle fatigue can be just as bad due to the lack of the body holding excess fluid in the joints and muscles. The joint pain is my worst enemy.

Good luck.