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[\SHINE/]

So does nandrolone "deca" realy help with tendon strength? for of those who have used it , whatcha think! lol


peace.

[catadrioptic]

Im not sure on the tendon strength but it sure calms down my achy joints alot. I had heard EQ was better for tendons but I may be wrong on that.

[deadweight]

It really does lube the joints......But at the same time those joints that are fucked up can become inflamed when pushing more weight....Deca lubes the joints but doesnt heal them.Beware if you have bad joints useing deca because you could end up with more inflamed joints because the deca allows you to push more weight without the pain .As i speak my elbow is full of fluid because i pushed more then i uselly do because deca covers up the joint pain.Its pure facts people....dw

[willie2]

Deca actually adds water to the joint that eases pain from inflammation. It does not heal tendons. The only thing that will really aid in tendon repair is HGH...

[\SHINE/]

Deca actually adds water to the joint that eases pain from inflammation. It does not heal tendons. The only thing that will really aid in tendon repair is HGH...

If It actualy added water to the joint don't ya think somthin like test enanthate that aromatizes much more to estrogen causing a lot more water and bloat would work better at lubing the joints then than deca?

As far as deca and tendons
I have seen conflicting reports on the effectiveness of taking deca to improve joint (tendon) health. This study would seem to support the idea of tendon reapir under load while using deca.

Peace.

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Am J Sports Med. 2004 Jun-Jul;32(4):934-943. Related Articles, Links


Nandrolone Decanoate and Load Increase Remodeling and Strength in Human Supraspinatus Bioartificial Tendons.

Triantafillopoulos IK, Banes AJ, Bowman KF Jr, Maloney M, Garrett WE Jr, Karas SG.

Shoulder and Elbow Service, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, Department of Orthopaedics, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, Flexcell International Corporation, Hillsborough, North Carolina, the Department of Biomedical Engineering, the School of Medicine, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, Flexcell International Corporation, Hillsborough, North Carolina, and the Department of Orthopaedics, Duke University, Durham, North Carolina.

BACKGROUND: To date, no studies document the effect of anabolic steroids on rotator cuff tendons. STUDY DESIGN: Controlled laboratory study. HYPOTHESIS: Anabolic steroids enhance remodeling and improve the biomechanical properties of bioartificially engineered human supraspinatus tendons. METHODS: Bioartificial tendons were treated with either nandrolone decanoate (nonload, steroid, n = 18), loading (load, nonsteroid, n = 18), or both (load, steroid, n = 18). A control group received no treatment (nonload, nonsteroid [NLNS], n = 18). Bioartificial tendons' remodeling was assessed by daily scanning, cytoskeletal organization by staining, matrix metalloproteinase-3 levels by ELISA assay, and biomechanical properties by load-to-failure testing. RESULTS: The load, steroid group showed the greatest remodeling and the best organized actin cytoskeleton. Matrix metallo-proteinase-3 levels in the load, steroid group were greater than those of the nonload, nonsteroid group (P <.05). Ultimate stress and ultimate strain in the load, steroid group were greater than those of the nonload, nonsteroid and nonload, steroid groups (P <.05). The strain energy density in the load, steroid group was greater when compared to other groups (P <.05). CONCLUSIONS: Nandrolone decanoate and load acted synergistically to increase matrix remodeling and biomechanical properties of bioartificial tendons. Clinical Relevance: Data suggest anabolic steroids may enhance production of bioartificial tendons and rotator cuff tendon healing in vitro. More research is necessary before such clinical use is recommended.

[gator_mclusky]

Some say Deca lubes the joints and some say Winstrol dries em out. Personally I dont notice it on either.

Everybodys different though.

gator

[\SHINE/]

well deca actualy does help with
suppression of cell mediated immunity and has the properties of an
androgen and a progestin to quell inflammation. This helps to heal and sooth achey joints. ( but I agree the lubing of the joints is nonsense)

[BLUESTORM]

Deca actually has the ability to heal or repair damaged cells.
I shouldn't come to battle without the ammo, but it has been a LONG time since I last posted the study on it.


Shine, how you doing bro? Been a long time.

[\SHINE/]

Deca actually has the ability to heal or repair damaged cells.
I shouldn't come to battle without the ammo, but it has been a LONG time since I last posted the study on it.


Shine, how you doing bro? Been a long time.

Yes sir! good to see ya bro, taking it one day at a time.

hope all is well with you.

[ryanrussell]

deca will mask an injury not repair it!! i got a friend with tendonitis in his elbows and everytime he goes on deca the pain goes away but when he goes off eventually the pain comes back!

[Thinkbig]

WHAT ALL DO WE KNOW OF SO FAR, AS FAR AS ANABOLIC CHEMISTRY, PEPTIDES, AAS, ETC. THAT CAN/DOES REPAIR JOINT/CARTILAGE?

GH? ANYTHING ELSE?

[lexi83]

persaonally, i swear by eq as far as tendon repair! heres why:
I tore my bicep completly (at elbow from deadlifting)
i had the surgery to repair it, immediatly began 500 mg of EQ every 5 days.
i forget exactly when, bur when i went back to the dr to remove the stitches, they were almost completly grown over! in fact, the nurse said "I have NEVER seen anyone grow over their stitchjes this much or fast before!! i assume she had never worked on anyone taking 500 mg of EQ either?
Nothing scientific at all here but i hit a 440 lb raw bwnch exactly 1 year after the injury? I attribute the fast healing to my EQ cycle!
Deca really does nothing for me but make me fat!!
BigLexi

[Thinkbig]

INTERESTING, THANKS FOR THE INSIGHT LEXI.

ANYONE ELSE?

[lexi83]

Somewhere on this board (i cant find it now? was a thread on tendon repair comparing deca vs EQ.
It stated that EQ (at rate of 2MG per KG of BW? I THINK?) improved collegen synthisis by over 400%!! compared to low 300% for deca? This was why i chose EQ over DECA after my injury? I wish i could fing the report, maybge someone here can?
BigLexi

[\SHINE/]

WHAT ALL DO WE KNOW OF SO FAR, AS FAR AS ANABOLIC CHEMISTRY, PEPTIDES, AAS, ETC. THAT CAN/DOES REPAIR JOINT/CARTILAGE?

GH? ANYTHING ELSE?

Well of course Gh seems to have and (IGF) the best effects on tendons/joints but deca will sertianly help as well no doubt. EQ???? well only one study i've seen but not nearly effective as a nor-19 (like nandrolone)

take a good look at Humoral immunity and it will explain why deca helps inflamation as well as healing.

peace.


Nandrolone + igf!!!! hey there ya go!!!