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[Franco Columbo]

Hi VIP,

I haven't done a cycle of any sort for some serious time. I kind of got out of the game for a while, due to my career and didn't have to much time to dedicate to the board anymore.

Here is my thing. In order to justify this cycle to my wife, I wanted some solid cold hard facts if the cycle I'm going to do is safe. Everything is safe in moderation to an extent.

My stats first off:
Height - 6'2"
Weight - 270 lbs.
BF%(bodyfat) - 25%-28%(Very pathetic for me)
Age - 25 (26 in August)

The main reason for an hGH cycle, is to lose body fat and that's it. I'm not trying to gain any real size off of this. In addition, I wanted to use a bio-identical testosterone cream of which the dosage would 100 mg/ml. Its actually very good for you, in the sense it doesn't shut down you're natural production of testosterone. I've used it in the past. Its definately not compared to the injectables, but it does the job with little to no side effects. Second, the hGH would be genetropin(the kind that comes in the form of a pen). I don't want to take a large dose, especially since this is my first time using this. I'd like to start off with 1.2 IU's a day. Now, with such a little dosage would I be prone to tumors, cancer, issues with the brain or whatever major issues come with using hGH? The reason I ask this question, is because of the wife. She is scraed shitless of anything happening like that. I need to get some major research, but cannot find anything to support my idea of using this. I need some major help. I'd like to be educated in knowing what I take. I am getting a script for this, and could ask the compound pharmacist about this, but I'd like to know first hand from people that have done hGH cycles. Basically, the cycle the pharmacist recommends is 1.2 IU's of hGH Monday - Friday, 100 mg of the test cream daily, and 1 mg of Armidex every other day. In addition, just so that you know I do have some antibodies around my thyroid, but they're not doing anything(basically inactive at the moment). So, to keep them from not doing anything my doctor prescribed a compound of T-3, T-4, Selenium and Zinc to support a normal functioning thyroid.

In addition, to the above proposed cycle. I did recently start cleaning up my diet. I've competed in the past for bodybuilding wise, and know what it takes to get back down to 6-7% BF(bodyfat). I'm also going to hit up some cardio five days a week, and get on a normal training pattern of 2 on, 1 off.

Thanks for the help, Franco.

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Well if you decide to use test cream that's a bit over done on the anastrazole, only good thing about the Test gel is for some darn reason aromatase doesn't increase as nearly bad as with the injects, Now that i'm thinking about it is probably because injects are made with ba and bb which are more or less a form of synthetic estrogens in them selves and we know estros of any kind stimulate aromatase .
(yes I have the study showing thees to be forms of synthetic estros)

Ok all that bs aside there was a study showing eod injects of gh giving good results for hrt purposes with out the extra water and unwanted insullin resistance that can show up later.
If ya would like this study lmk, I might have to dig a bit for it though. lol

and consider anastrazole lowers IGF by about 18%, that sucks! so use sparingly so it doesn't rob you of ur GH!!! effects.
Letro boost IGF some 26% ! might even consider this one or even better aromasin if ya can get it.

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Ow by the way Test Gel might not shut ya down totaly but it will slow LH down by some 50% ,
but that's not bad considering they took it for 52wks.

J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2008 Jan;93(1):139-46. Epub 2007 Oct 16. Links
Testosterone therapy prevents gain in visceral adipose tissue and loss of skeletal muscle in nonobese aging men.Allan CA, Strauss BJ, Burger HG, Forbes EA, McLachlan RI.
Prince Henry's Institute, Monash University, Clayton, Victoria 3168, Australia.

BACKGROUND: Trials of testosterone therapy in aging men have demonstrated increases in fat-free mass (FFM) and skeletal muscle and decreases in fat mass (FM) but have not reported the impact of baseline body composition. OBJECTIVE: The objective of the study was to determine the effect, in nonobese aging men with symptoms of androgen deficiency and low-normal serum testosterone levels, of testosterone therapy on total and regional body composition and hormonal and metabolic indices. METHODS: Sixty healthy but symptomatic, nonobese men aged 55 yr or older with total testosterone (TT) levels less than 15 nm were randomized to transdermal testosterone patches or placebo for 52 wk. Body composition, by dual-energy x-ray absorptiometry (FM, FFM, skeletal muscle) and magnetic resonance imaging (abdominal sc and visceral adipose tissue, thigh skeletal muscle, and intermuscular fat) and hormonal and metabolic parameters were measured at wk 0 and 52. RESULTS: Serum TT increased by 30% (P = 0.01), and LH decreased by 50% (P < 0.001). Relative to placebo, total body FFM (P = 0.03) and skeletal muscle (P = 0.008) were increased and thigh skeletal muscle loss was prevented (P = 0.045) with testosterone therapy and visceral fat accumulation decreased (P = 0.001) without change in total body or abdominal sc FM; change in visceral fat was correlated with change in TT levels (r2 = 0.36; P = 0.014). There was a trend to increasing total and low-density lipoprotein cholesterol with placebo. CONCLUSION: Testosterone therapy, relative to placebo, selectively lessened visceral fat accumulation without change in total body FM and increased total body FFM and total body and thigh skeletal muscle mass. Further studies are needed to determine the impact of these body compositional changes on markers of metabolic and cardiovascular risk.

PMID: 17940111 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

[\SHINE/]

well If his bodies own test is on the low side it will make it a bit more difficult to loose bf.

I assume blood work has been done to check test levles?


Lota ways one can attack this, nothing is written in stone.

peace.