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[bambam9193]

I promised I'd look into this for a friend of mine. He's been training for years and weights a solid 230 lbs. Some of you might have a read a previous post of mine about this guy but he works for the government. He's already been suspected of using but hasn't tried anything before. He'd like to try something for a little extra push but obviously worried about being tested with it already being a topic with his co-workers.

So I guess this is a two part question. If you wanted to see gains but have it take the least amount of time to leave your system, what would you take? I know HGH might be the best answer but it's so damn expensive. So also keeping in consideration that it can't cost you a fortune, what would be the next best thing? It doesn't have to give him massive gains. Like I said, he's just looking for a little something extra.

[ready2explode]

I would imagine any short ester...Test prop, npp, tren acetate, would do him as it is out of your system in about 3 days or so

I would recommend staying away from both nandrolone and tren. Their metabolites can stay in the system for a long time, regardless of the ester.

His best bet is to use test suspension. 50-75mgs/day with an anti-aromatase (adex @ .25mg EOD).

[bambam9193]

Thank you guys, I'll let him know.

Do you think the test suspension at 50-75 mgs a day is best for someone trying their first cycle? How long would you take it for...8 weeks?

[\SHINE/]

Realy he's gona hate test susp for a first, unless it's in oil the half -life ain't gona be that stable, Those damn suspen shots feel like hammer blows!!!! Aques best 2x day every 6-8 hours.
Besides if it's not micronized It's so much fun when those damn pins clog ! when trying to inject.

considering you got quality T-prop injects shouldn't get all that sore.
imo TEST prop 2 cc on monday and 1cc EOD- last shot sat and start over. for a total of 500mg wk.

8wks is fine. anastrazole 1mg every 3 days, is close enuff.

use hcg last 3-4 wks 500iu 2xweek.


This is enuff test for the first and will give him a fill for a firs cycle to see how his body will respond.

Realy that is a good deal of test do to the fact of the prop ester.

Toremifene would be a good idea for pct, for 4-6 wks.


Make that boy consume at least 300-400 grams of protein per day!



sorry not the most scientific post as i'm in late and tired as hell from the overtime.

holla anytime and we'll fix what we can.

peace.

[bambam9193]

Shit! I'm glad you said that Shine or he might be turned off for good. I know with starting my first cycle I was already apprehensive enough. Thanks for all the feedback!

[ready2explode]

Do you think the test suspension at 50-75 mgs a day is best for someone trying their first cycle? How long would you take it for...8 weeks?

He could take it to 12 if he doesn't mind pinning that often.

Before, Raw Deal there were some pain-free suspensions around.

Keep in mind that you asked for the drug that stays the least amount of time in your system. Once you put an ester on the test, as in prop, the risks increase. It's the difference between talking about a couple of days and a couple of weeks (at least according to every report on the web). You should inform him about both and then let him decide.

[deadweight]

I promised I'd look into this for a friend of mine. He's been training for years and weights a solid 230 lbs. Some of you might have a read a previous post of mine about this guy but he works for the government. He's already been suspected of using but hasn't tried anything before. He'd like to try something for a little extra push but obviously worried about being tested with it already being a topic with his co-workers.

So I guess this is a two part question. If you wanted to see gains but have it take the least amount of time to leave your system, what would you take? I know HGH might be the best answer but it's so damn expensive. So also keeping in consideration that it can't cost you a fortune, what would be the next best thing? It doesn't have to give him massive gains. Like I said, he's just looking for a little something extra.

How i personaly feel about what your asking is a waste of time....Really,if your gonna just tinkle around useing steroids then you will really get nothing from it...Maybe just alittle gain but as fast as you use it .............. faster gains will dissapear...Alittle extra isnt gonna stick around......... So ask yourself why fuck around with it in the first palce?..I hate to be so negtive about it but To gain anything from steroids is a life long cycle.The purpose of your friend useing it for some extra has no purpose as far as gains..Short lives = nothing.......dw

[Grunt76]

I would go with semi-legal orals such as methyl-masteron (M-drol) or halodrol (H-drol)...

If he is tested at the wrong time he might pop it, but these things are available OTC so that would surely not disqualify him.

[\SHINE/]

well for sure use an AI to keep the bloat down, Ware a lota loose fitin clothes so they can't tell a drastic difference !

Realy if he wan'ts a extra kick in the ass and can afford it ANAVAR at 60-70 mg day would probably make him happy. Pretty easy to restore hpt fuction from that one and no AI needed during cycle either.

Nothing is in stone so there's alot good ideas in this thread to consider.

[bambam9193]

It's a good point Deadweight...if the gains won't last it's all just a waste of time and money.

I don't think he'd mind how often he has to pin just as long as it works. But I'm glad you mentioned the Var Shine. I love it but I wasn't sure how it would affect him and how long it stays in the system. He wants something that will leave his system fairly quickly because he doesn't plan on staying on something indefinitely. He wants to go through a cycle and take some time off from it. If they tested him, most likely it would be after they saw some gains and hopefully after his cycle has ended.

He tried the Halodrol but he said the new pills are a total waste. But he loved the original pulled off the shelves and said he was at his strongest while he took it. When he was going through the hiring stage he was disqualified at one point because his liver enzymes were high and they said his polygraph showed deception. First of all those polygraphs are a bunch of bullshit. Secondly, he wasn't taking anything illegal. So understandably he's a little apprehensive about trying something out. But I've been telling him about my progress and I guess I'm a bad influence because now he wants to give it a go.

I really appreciate all of the info to give him. I've only really researched the things I would be interested in taking and aside from Var and Winny, I'm not much help to him other than a middleman relaying the advice you guys are giving. I'll have to let him know to stop wearing his little brothers shirt if he decides to try this! Lol

[deadweight]

It's a good point Deadweight...if the gains won't last it's all just a waste of time and money.

I don't think he'd mind how often he has to pin just as long as it works. But I'm glad you mentioned the Var Shine. I love it but I wasn't sure how it would affect him and how long it stays in the system. He wants something that will leave his system fairly quickly because he doesn't plan on staying on something indefinitely. He wants to go through a cycle and take some time off from it. If they tested him, most likely it would be after they saw some gains and hopefully after his cycle has ended.

He tried the Halodrol but he said the new pills are a total waste. But he loved the original pulled off the shelves and said he was at his strongest while he took it. When he was going through the hiring stage he was disqualified at one point because his liver enzymes were high and they said his polygraph showed deception. First of all those polygraphs are a bunch of bullshit. Secondly, he wasn't taking anything illegal. So understandably he's a little apprehensive about trying something out. But I've been telling him about my progress and I guess I'm a bad influence because now he wants to give it a go.

I really appreciate all of the info to give him. I've only really researched the things I would be interested in taking and aside from Var and Winny, I'm not much help to him other than a middleman relaying the advice you guys are giving. I'll have to let him know to stop wearing his little brothers shirt if he decides to try this! Lol

I do agree with shine the VAR would be a good choice.But also,some T-BOL would make a good chcoice as well....anywhere from 60 to 70 mgs ed would jack anyone up in no time...dw

[Grunt76]

It's a good point Deadweight...if the gains won't last it's all just a waste of time and money.

I don't think he'd mind how often he has to pin just as long as it works. But I'm glad you mentioned the Var Shine. I love it but I wasn't sure how it would affect him and how long it stays in the system. He wants something that will leave his system fairly quickly because he doesn't plan on staying on something indefinitely. He wants to go through a cycle and take some time off from it. If they tested him, most likely it would be after they saw some gains and hopefully after his cycle has ended.

He tried the Halodrol but he said the new pills are a total waste. But he loved the original pulled off the shelves and said he was at his strongest while he took it. When he was going through the hiring stage he was disqualified at one point because his liver enzymes were high and they said his polygraph showed deception. First of all those polygraphs are a bunch of bullshit. Secondly, he wasn't taking anything illegal. So understandably he's a little apprehensive about trying something out. But I've been telling him about my progress and I guess I'm a bad influence because now he wants to give it a go.

I really appreciate all of the info to give him. I've only really researched the things I would be interested in taking and aside from Var and Winny, I'm not much help to him other than a middleman relaying the advice you guys are giving. I'll have to let him know to stop wearing his little brothers shirt if he decides to try this! Lol

The original halodrol molecule is available in a product now called h-drol, as the former superdrol is now availalbe under the name m-drol and the former pheraplex now in a product called p-plex. They are legally available and provide very good, LASTING gains. Unlike dbol and drol.

[deadweight]

It's a good point Deadweight...if the gains won't last it's all just a waste of time and money.

I don't think he'd mind how often he has to pin just as long as it works. But I'm glad you mentioned the Var Shine. I love it but I wasn't sure how it would affect him and how long it stays in the system. He wants something that will leave his system fairly quickly because he doesn't plan on staying on something indefinitely. He wants to go through a cycle and take some time off from it. If they tested him, most likely it would be after they saw some gains and hopefully after his cycle has ended.

He tried the Halodrol but he said the new pills are a total waste. But he loved the original pulled off the shelves and said he was at his strongest while he took it. When he was going through the hiring stage he was disqualified at one point because his liver enzymes were high and they said his polygraph showed deception. First of all those polygraphs are a bunch of bullshit. Secondly, he wasn't taking anything illegal. So understandably he's a little apprehensive about trying something out. But I've been telling him about my progress and I guess I'm a bad influence because now he wants to give it a go.

I really appreciate all of the info to give him. I've only really researched the things I would be interested in taking and aside from Var and Winny, I'm not much help to him other than a middleman relaying the advice you guys are giving. I'll have to let him know to stop wearing his little brothers shirt if he decides to try this! Lol

The original halodrol molecule is available in a product now called h-drol, as the former superdrol is now availalbe under the name m-drol and the former pheraplex now in a product called p-plex. They are legally available and provide very good, LASTING gains. Unlike dbol and drol.

i might give that hdrol a shot.I allways found that pro hormones work fairly good ...dw

[bambam9193]

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The original halodrol molecule is available in a product now called h-drol, as the former superdrol is now availalbe under the name m-drol and the former pheraplex now in a product called p-plex. They are legally available and provide very good, LASTING gains. Unlike dbol and drol.
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Very good to know...he'll be happy to hear that. As many good things as he had to say about it I'm tempted to try it along with the Var. Think it would be okay for a female in between cycles?

I'll give him all of the options you guys have mentioned. You guys need to collaborate and write a damn book! Lol