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[Grunt76]

If he really wants to juice and hes worried just do what the pros do and mask it with diuretics. If they test him they will detect the diuretics but they aren't illegal. That might tip them off to what he's doing but at least he won't show positive for juice.

If he can get a script for finasteride (propecia) for either prostate or his hair, that also is said to mask steroid tests. Very good point Kane.

[bambam9193]

If he really wants to juice and hes worried just do what the pros do and mask it with diuretics. If they test him they will detect the diuretics but they aren't illegal. That might tip them off to what he's doing but at least he won't show positive for juice.

If he can get a script for finasteride (propecia) for either prostate or his hair, that also is said to mask steroid tests. Very good point Kane.

I thought I'd heard that before about some Rx for hair but I couldn't find anything on it. All good stuff to tell him.

[Grunt76]

When your talking about H-drol and M-drol what brand are you looking at? Competitive Edge Labs?

Yeah I think that's the brand with those product names. Very seriously productive AAS to consume. P-Plex is also a very nice androgenic oral with good anabolic properties. Cuts me up every time, no effort.

[bambam9193]

When your talking about H-drol and M-drol what brand are you looking at? Competitive Edge Labs?

Yeah I think that's the brand with those product names. Very seriously productive AAS to consume. P-Plex is also a very nice androgenic oral with good anabolic properties. Cuts me up every time, no effort.

I tried to read up on the H-drol, M-drol and P-plex wondering if any of them would be good for me too. All of them look like they could be good products. But they also say for females not to take. I'm wondering if that's just because it could mess with the reproductive system and they're just being cautious. What are your thoughts?

[Grunt76]

When your talking about H-drol and M-drol what brand are you looking at? Competitive Edge Labs?

Yeah I think that's the brand with those product names. Very seriously productive AAS to consume. P-Plex is also a very nice androgenic oral with good anabolic properties. Cuts me up every time, no effort.

I tried to read up on the H-drol, M-drol and P-plex wondering if any of them would be good for me too. All of them look like they could be good products. But they also say for females not to take. I'm wondering if that's just because it could mess with the reproductive system and they're just being cautious. What are your thoughts?

H-Drol is a metabolite of Oral Turinabol and we all know that is very good for women, one of the very least androgenic anabolics there is. M-drol is of a very low androgenicity even though some people BELIEVE it to be androgenic due to its very lean, yet massive gains.

The problem would be dosing them right, as 25mg of H-Drol would be a pretty massive dose, as 10mg of M-drol is. I have a female friend who re-capped some M-Drol in 1.25mg caps (8 to 1) and she does superbly well with 3.75mg ED, split throughout the day. No voice, no hair, just muscle, drive, strength. She especially likes the following stack:

3.75mg M-Drol
5mg Anavar
5mg Oral Turinabol

Those are small amounts of each, but together she just gets super strong and massive, NO side-effects except for the period but that is a given. She also tried epistane, but didn't like it as well as the above mentioned. She does 4on, 4off cycles.

Certainly of those, the P-Plex would NOT be advisable to any woman wanting to remain one.

[\SHINE/]

damn superdrol realy sucks as compared to d-bol and a good AI !!!!!

realy though mixing hcg during a test cycle and aproaching pct right a decent percent of those gains are keepable.
IGF would even be a good pct boost as well.

It's a good point Deadweight...if the gains won't last it's all just a waste of time and money.

I don't think he'd mind how often he has to pin just as long as it works. But I'm glad you mentioned the Var Shine. I love it but I wasn't sure how it would affect him and how long it stays in the system. He wants something that will leave his system fairly quickly because he doesn't plan on staying on something indefinitely. He wants to go through a cycle and take some time off from it. If they tested him, most likely it would be after they saw some gains and hopefully after his cycle has ended.

He tried the Halodrol but he said the new pills are a total waste. But he loved the original pulled off the shelves and said he was at his strongest while he took it. When he was going through the hiring stage he was disqualified at one point because his liver enzymes were high and they said his polygraph showed deception. First of all those polygraphs are a bunch of bullshit. Secondly, he wasn't taking anything illegal. So understandably he's a little apprehensive about trying something out. But I've been telling him about my progress and I guess I'm a bad influence because now he wants to give it a go.

I really appreciate all of the info to give him. I've only really researched the things I would be interested in taking and aside from Var and Winny, I'm not much help to him other than a middleman relaying the advice you guys are giving. I'll have to let him know to stop wearing his little brothers shirt if he decides to try this! Lol

I do agree with shine the VAR would be a good choice.But also,some T-BOL would make a good chcoice as well....anywhere from 60 to 70 mgs ed would jack anyone up in no time...dw

actualy those two together would be nice as well.

[piotr]

i find dbol only with strong nolva doses for the last couple weeks and for a couple weeks after discontinuing dbol gives me some decent maintainable gains as long as i train balls to the wall after i've come off the dbol... i dont think dbol is a dead end in terms of keeping gains

piotr

[\SHINE/]

i find dbol only with strong nolva doses for the last couple weeks and for a couple weeks after discontinuing dbol gives me some decent maintainable gains as long as i train balls to the wall after i've come off the dbol... i dont think dbol is a dead end in terms of keeping gains

piotr

yea absolutely, not to mention ur mos likely getting better quality in the d-bol vrs the ph crap.

(alhtough there a few testing out ok.)


another thing is there are a good number bitching about gyno symptoms, and lethargy on those ph's.
PCT is definately needed with the majority of PH's.

[\SHINE/]

i find dbol only with strong nolva doses for the last couple weeks and for a couple weeks after discontinuing dbol gives me some decent maintainable gains as long as i train balls to the wall after i've come off the dbol... i dont think dbol is a dead end in terms of keeping gains

piotr

Yea realy I can't see Halodrol which is a cap of Turinabol which is realy a cousin of d-bol (4-chloro dianabol) alowing you to keep gains better than d-bol.

Use an AI with d-bol and ur gains are obtainable with good pct.

[Grunt76]

i find dbol only with strong nolva doses for the last couple weeks and for a couple weeks after discontinuing dbol gives me some decent maintainable gains as long as i train balls to the wall after i've come off the dbol... i dont think dbol is a dead end in terms of keeping gains

piotr

Yea realy I can't see Halodrol which is a cap of Turinabol which is realy a cousin of d-bol (4-chloro dianabol) alowing you to keep gains better than d-bol.

Use an AI with d-bol and ur gains are obtainable with good pct.

I'm sorry bro, but you're not speaking from either experience or from a chemically valid standpoint. Hell dbol is methylated boldenone, so they could hardly be any closer without being the same. Yet could they behave any differently in the body? So being "close" means nothing as often as not.

As far as talking about the "ph crap" why don't you give them a honest try before saying stuff like that? You're spreading ignorance like gospel here.

I can't begin to tell you how many guys I know trained and ate hard for years, then did a couple cycles of "crap ph", gained 25lbs of maintained meat, then, all hyped up started on the, ahem, "real stuff" and were sorely disappointed that instead of gaining 10 lean lbs in 4-6 weeks, now it takes them 16 weeks to gain 5.

Yes, there is the newbie cycle factor, but there is also the fact that some of these "crap ph" are actually the best steroids out there period.

[\SHINE/]

i find dbol only with strong nolva doses for the last couple weeks and for a couple weeks after discontinuing dbol gives me some decent maintainable gains as long as i train balls to the wall after i've come off the dbol... i dont think dbol is a dead end in terms of keeping gains

piotr

Yea realy I can't see Halodrol which is a cap of Turinabol which is realy a cousin of d-bol (4-chloro dianabol) alowing you to keep gains better than d-bol.

Use an AI with d-bol and ur gains are obtainable with good pct.

I'm sorry bro, but you're not speaking from either experience or from a chemically valid standpoint. Hell dbol is methylated boldenone, so they could hardly be any closer without being the same. Yet could they behave any differently in the body? So being "close" means nothing as often as not.

As far as talking about the "ph crap" why don't you give them a honest try before saying stuff like that? You're spreading ignorance like gospel here.

I can't begin to tell you how many guys I know trained and ate hard for years, then did a couple cycles of "crap ph", gained 25lbs of maintained meat, then, all hyped up started on the, ahem, "real stuff" and were sorely disappointed that instead of gaining 10 lean lbs in 4-6 weeks, now it takes them 16 weeks to gain 5.

Yes, there is the newbie cycle factor, but there is also the fact that some of these "crap ph" are actually the best steroids out there period.

What did I step on your TOES ! LOL sorry about that Grunt you mus be marketing the ph's no?

NO maybe I DoN't HaVe As MuCh UsEr eXpErIeNcE as you with PH's

BUT HEY THERE BRO I"M SPEAKING FROM A VERY STRAIGHT UP CHEMO POINT OF VIEW AND YES I HAVE USED GODDAMN TURINABOL AND SUPERDROL!!!!!
AND HELL YEA ! experinece why sure lol you run an AI at a healthy dose with d-bol and IMO it acts pretty damn close to boldenone d-bol!!!! you nock of that estrogen and methy estro conversion by aromatase it realy acts pretty close to boldenone! well of course estrogen boost gains a bit!!!

What the hell are you grunting at anyways LOL! point of view is this the Parent body of turina and Halo are in the same as good old d-bol-boldeonel but with those kewl mods ya know 4-chlorination no?

Wasn't claiming there actions in the body are exactly the same.

AND YES A 17 ALPHA OR REGULAR METHYL CHANGES PROPERTIES, HELL ADDING THE DIOL HAS SHOWN TO INCREASE POTENCY ON THOSE PH'S more tha dht ! ( shouldn't but it does)


POINT IS YOU CAN KEEP MOST OF UR GAINS ON D-BOL TO IF YO USE AN AI TO KEEP CIRCULATING ESTRO DOWN!!!!! low estrogen and low aromatase always makes for a more friendly pct NO? IMO those ph's could help keep gains better do to the fact they don't or hardly convert to estrogen and don't agrovate aromatse like d-bol would. Less circulating estrogen and less aromatse with a-protein expression the better your pct recovery will be! maybe youz missundertood me, NO d-bol acts different in the fact it gives you a lot more muscle than those two, but by manipulating the drug you can obtain alot of the size gained!!! was my point.


AND HERE"S MY FUCKING POINT AS WELL



AND yes test being run by an Aspring chemist with damn near 20 years in the buis has shown a lot of bad samples coming back on the PH powders as of late!!!! (well actualy some aas to be honest) And that is being done from two different independant companies________________________________________________________________Flat Line
guarantee you NO ONE knows more about PH's than this guy!!!

methyl-epithiostanol testing update (epistane, havoc etc)

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tested a brand called epidrol yesterday

it came out with a M+ of 288

so now we have at least three products with the same stuff (havoc, hemaguno, and epidrol) and one product with something different in it (epistane, which has the 270 M+)

I still adamantly stand behind my belief that 288 represents the correct compound.

OOOOPS there's more of that ignorant gospel !!!
NOT ALL PH"S ARE CREATED EQUAL!!!

Superdrol /Bolazine methylmasteron which is a steroid falsely labled a PH , yea I ran 3 bottles of the shit at 30mg/day and stanozolol is a hella lot better for me ! only thing that made it more apealing is the price!
But none the less a good bang for the buck.


Yea I agree GRUNT HALODROL IS A DECENT NOCK OFF OF TURNINABOL

oral turinabol is 17alpha methyl-4-chloro-1,4-androstadiene-17b-ol-3-one (4-chloro dianabol)

and Halo/turina,what's up with the 4-chloro? ORal bio availability

4-chloro group protects the 17beta-OH group from oxidation to the inactive 17-keto form to some extent, so this can help increase its oral bioavailablity somewhat.

another case in point is this pro turinabol ! lol i'm not sure how the reviews are on this one but it's not a nock off of turniabol or halo and which is there claim.

G.BECK!!!!!!!!!!!


Peace.

[\SHINE/]

On the Topic of PH's wouldn't Havoc be a good one for women?



also I did grind some pretty good info on superdrol, Now I know all has to find this interesting !!!

Here is an abstract where females took 20mg for 45+ days...and it appears that less than half had any liver issues.

Protracted action of protein anabolism in gynecological oncology and its effect on hepatic function. Dambrosio, F.; Donatelli, G. Fontana. Univ. Milan, Cancro, Il (1963), 16(5), 553-604. Journal language unavailable. CAN 62:11656 AN 1965:11656 CAPLUS

Abstract

Twenty mg. of dimetazine, an anabolizing steroid, was administered daily for 45-95 days to 11 gynecological patients. More than 50% of the cases showed no change in the bilirubinemia, the others showed modest to moderate increases. The glutamic-oxalacetic and the glutamic-pyruvic transaminases of the serum increased greatly in 3 patients. The albumins concn. usually decreased in the course of the treatment, while the globulins concn. did not change
(Doesn't show this As being as harsh as most claim.)



OW! AND THIS !!!


Here the conclusion is that it is relatively low androgenically.


A new steroid with protein anabolic activity: dimethazine. De Ruggieri, P.; Matscher, R.; Gandolfi, C.; Chiaramonti, D.; Lupo, C.; Pietra, E.; Cavalli, R. Ormonoterap. Richter, Milan, Archivio di Scienze Biologiche (Bologna) (1963), 47(1), 1-19. CODEN: ASBIAL ISSN: 0004-0169. Journal language unavailable. CAN 60:46973 AN 1964:46973 CAPLUS

Abstract

Dimethazine (I) was evaluated for the following biol. activities: androgenic, N retaining, P retaining, and Ca retaining. The increase in uptake of -aminoisobutyric acid-1-14C and the increase in body wt. were also investigated. Data obtained, tabulated, and compared to those obtained with methyltestosterone established that I is a protein anabolic steroid with weak androgenic activity.



PEACE my Hormone enthused friends!

[Grunt76]

My apologies brother, I did not mean to sound like M1T. That is... Harsh.

Oops is that a PH or a steroid?

And since you are one of those weirdos who gain off winny, well of course superdrol doesn't do squat for you. In my own bloodwork I didn't notice much with liver enzymes but the lipids were hit pretty hard. But back then they didn't measure them.

Nice find on those studies bro. Peace.