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[Razor D]

shouldn't hurt tendons unless your lifting heavy.IMO, some Deca or EQ should help , and test usually lubes the joints , winny is only thing i know that really dries out tendons ,,would like to see info also

[ThatBro]

Guy I know was using the topical and his levels were over 1000 and he was taking 50mg ed.. It works.. Just stinky and daily use sucks..

I am on HRT been on for almost 2 years.. Just stopped everything about 5 weeks ago and running PCT now..

Test can do some things you dont want also.. I have so many tendon issues.. Elbows, heels, knees.. I had to get $800.00 inserts for my shoes cause my achillies tendons are being effected by the HRT....

My foot Doctor knows I am on HRT and had told me she just read a study that linked my tendon issues to TRT/HRT..

No offence bro but that sound like a selling point for those $800 heel inserts. I have never EVER heard of something like that.

[DragonRider]

I wouldn't sweat the one EQ shot taken nearly 3 weeks before seeing the new doc, EQ has a relative short half life so the increase would be nearly insignificant.

EQ like Deca actually has a long half life.
I would not take it at all prior to a test. I'm on the gel and I can't get my doctor to consider anything else.

[mad_dawg]

Guys, I really appreciate all the input and comments.

I have never heard any correlation between HRT and tendon issues either. This might be something to look into though.

I go to see my new doctor tomorrow. I'm going to bring a few print outs from SWALE aka Dr. Crisler. My other doc never mentioned anything about HCG/nolva or anything else. I am going to ask about it this time. If i can't do this the right way I guess I will be forced to do it my way. I really am trying to do this correctly. ---------- My regular doc told me for long term he thought gel was best because of the more stable blood levels. I can see this, but what a pain in the arse. Especially right now with my girl being pregnant.

I will let you guys know what I am told tomorrow. Hopefully it's good news....

Peace,
Mad_dawg

[goldy]

i have a script for 200 a week. go in twice a year for blood work. i go down to 160 for 3 weeks before blood and drink heavily the night before.....this gets me at about 600 on th eblood work:)

PS - around 140 with no TRT

[Anabolic Beast]

I wouldn't sweat the one EQ shot taken nearly 3 weeks before seeing the new doc, EQ has a relative short half life so the increase would be nearly insignificant.

EQ like Deca actually has a long half life.
I would not take it at all prior to a test. I'm on the gel and I can't get my doctor to consider anything else.

That is true, the undeclynate ester of EQ is one carbon longer than the decanoate ester of Deca. What I should have said is that EQ has an active half live of 15 days which is what I was thinking when I typed that. MD had asked whether the one shot of EQ he had taken might be a problem on his blood test that was 3 weeks away. I was simply trying to reassure him that it would not be as long as he did not take any more of it before the test.

[mad_dawg]

AB, I understood what you were telling me. I figured I would be fine. Turns out this guy didn't do anything anyway.
He told me I could get a couple injects (1 shot every 2 weeks at 150 to 200 mgs) until the baby was born. He said the max they could prescribe was 400mgs per month and that they usually started people at 300/month and that was every 2 weeks.

I'm so mad now I can't see straight. I tried to do this the right way. I am going to do my own TRT at 200mgs a week but keep my script for the Testim up. Eventually I will go back to that and will have some stored up. This has been nothing but a bunch of bullshit. I wish I lived where some of you guys that posted live. Either that or find a doctor that is not ignorant. I am not doing a shot once a month or every 3 weeks or even bi weekly. I asked him about HCG and nolva, and he said he doesn't use any of that. I asked about testicular shrinkage, he said that is not usually a concern with the patients he see's. Fuck it. And if there's any media or LE reading this, then fuck you too! I gave him a couple printouts I had from SWALE aka Dr. Crisler. Maybe he'll read some of that and learn a little something. I will say at least he was interested in reading the info.

I said it a few times, but thanks for everyone's comments and postings. It is really appreciated and has been helpful. Too bad I can't say the same thing for the doctors I have seen.

Peace,
Mad_dawg

[Anabolic Beast]

Damn, that sucks MD. You might want to look online at one of the anti-aging clinics like AAG for TRT. They have a list of doctors around the country. One of them might be near you. They are a little expensive, but they are legal.

[DragonRider]

AB, I understood what you were telling me. I figured I would be fine. Turns out this guy didn't do anything anyway.
He told me I could get a couple injects (1 shot every 2 weeks at 150 to 200 mgs) until the baby was born. He said the max they could prescribe was 400mgs per month and that they usually started people at 300/month and that was every 2 weeks.

I'm so mad now I can't see straight. I tried to do this the right way. I am going to do my own TRT at 200mgs a week but keep my script for the Testim up. Eventually I will go back to that and will have some stored up. This has been nothing but a bunch of bullshit. I wish I lived where some of you guys that posted live. Either that or find a doctor that is not ignorant. I am not doing a shot once a month or every 3 weeks or even bi weekly. I asked him about HCG and nolva, and he said he doesn't use any of that. I asked about testicular shrinkage, he said that is not usually a concern with the patients he see's. Fuck it. And if there's any media or LE reading this, then fuck you too! I gave him a couple printouts I had from SWALE aka Dr. Crisler. Maybe he'll read some of that and learn a little something. I will say at least he was interested in reading the info.

I said it a few times, but thanks for everyone's comments and postings. It is really appreciated and has been helpful. Too bad I can't say the same thing for the doctors I have seen.

Peace,
Mad_dawg

I count myself lucky that I can even get the gel. So many doctors are caught up in this phobia that HRT is the same as prescribing steroids for cosmetic purposes.

[ruffneck]

The problem here is that there is so little research into HRT. A lot of the research done on hormones is in HIV or Aids patients. Nobody has really done any indepth studies to show the benefits. I honestly beleive this is because it(being AAS) can make people feel better and why would drug companies do test on something that would make you feel better and not buy their other drugs. The drug companies are money hungry assholes.
I know that most doctors are not very familiar with hormones cause they are not educated on them in med school. We all know that AAS is bad stuff.

[mad_dawg]

The problem here is that there is so little research into HRT.

Funny, this is exactly what the doctor told me. That is why he asked if he could keep the copies from Dr. Crisler that I had printed out for him. He said information in is subject is hard to come by.

Yes, I guess I should be grateful for the testim gel I am getting.

[minster]

[quote name='mad_dawg' date='Jan 9 2009, 02:17 PM' post='276675']
AB, I understood what you were telling me. I figured I would be fine. Turns out this guy didn't do anything anyway.
He told me I could get a couple injects (1 shot every 2 weeks at 150 to 200 mgs) until the baby was born. He said the max they could prescribe was 400mgs per month and that they usually started people at 300/month and that was every 2 weeks.

I'm so mad now I can't see straight. I tried to do this the right way. I am going to do my own TRT at 200mgs a week but keep my script for the Testim up. Eventually I will go back to that and will have some stored up. This has been nothing but a bunch of bullshit. I wish I lived where some of you guys that posted live. Either that or find a doctor that is not ignorant. I am not doing a shot once a month or every 3 weeks or even bi weekly. I asked him about HCG and nolva, and he said he doesn't use any of that. I asked about testicular shrinkage, he said that is not usually a concern with the patients he see's. Fuck it. And if there's any media or LE reading this, then fuck you too! I gave him a couple printouts I had from SWALE aka Dr. Crisler. Maybe he'll read some of that and learn a little something. I will say at least he was interested in reading the info.

I said it a few times, but thanks for everyone's comments and postings. It is really appreciated and has been helpful. Too bad I can't say the same thing for the doctors I have seen.

lol at the "fuck you to le" as i surely feel the same-the undecylynate etser is a pretty long one that can last 3 weeks if shot into an area with alot of scar tissue and is not as quick to dissipate,especially if high mgs.per ml. now i have had blood tests 2x while on eq and my red blood cells were through the roof both times and something about my hemoglobin readings off too. deca does this to some extent but not as much as eq or oral a-drol and i also have only heard of winny being bad for tendonsand i believe after 20+years that hrt doesnot effect tendons in a negative way but quite the opposite. everyone needs more than one opinion imo.

[Darkhrse99]

AB, I understood what you were telling me. I figured I would be fine. Turns out this guy didn't do anything anyway.
He told me I could get a couple injects (1 shot every 2 weeks at 150 to 200 mgs) until the baby was born. He said the max they could prescribe was 400mgs per month and that they usually started people at 300/month and that was every 2 weeks.

I'm so mad now I can't see straight. I tried to do this the right way. I am going to do my own TRT at 200mgs a week but keep my script for the Testim up. Eventually I will go back to that and will have some stored up. This has been nothing but a bunch of bullshit. I wish I lived where some of you guys that posted live. Either that or find a doctor that is not ignorant. I am not doing a shot once a month or every 3 weeks or even bi weekly. I asked him about HCG and nolva, and he said he doesn't use any of that. I asked about testicular shrinkage, he said that is not usually a concern with the patients he see's. Fuck it. And if there's any media or LE reading this, then fuck you too! I gave him a couple printouts I had from SWALE aka Dr. Crisler. Maybe he'll read some of that and learn a little something. I will say at least he was interested in reading the info.

I said it a few times, but thanks for everyone's comments and postings. It is really appreciated and has been helpful. Too bad I can't say the same thing for the doctors I have seen.

Peace,
Mad_dawg

Pm me bro, I'll hook you up with my hrt doc..

[~R~F~G~]

Guy I know was using the topical and his levels were over 1000 and he was taking 50mg ed.. It works.. Just stinky and daily use sucks..

I am on HRT been on for almost 2 years.. Just stopped everything about 5 weeks ago and running PCT now..

Test can do some things you dont want also.. I have so many tendon issues.. Elbows, heels, knees.. I had to get $800.00 inserts for my shoes cause my achillies tendons are being effected by the HRT....

My foot Doctor knows I am on HRT and had told me she just read a study that linked my tendon issues to TRT/HRT..

No offence bro but that sound like a selling point for those $800 heel inserts. I have never EVER heard of something like that.

Nah, I cant walk and not have pain without them.. So either way I needed them.. The article was in one of her things Doctors get, not regular people.. I'll do some digging..