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[ThatBro]

Just got a bottle, what do you guys know about it? Ill post up my results but opinions by most are this stuff is great. Gaspari is making some pretty big claims on this one but they do come through most of the time. Im on day two and up my dose from 2 to 4. Im a little hot , no shakes, a little anxious but nothing worse then clen. Im sitting 210lbs 11% and want to get down to 5-6 percent with diet cardio and this shit. Ive been reading what little there is on the topic (besides the marketing material Gaspari releases) and its look a little like DNP. Now, Im not saying I understand the difference in chemicals but I do understand how they work and its a little similar. The pills are yellow like my DNP, Ha!... I just dont have to worry about staining everything it touches. Let me know if you guys have any info on this stuff and Ill keep you updated. Trust me Im about as skeptical as anyone.

Heres a couple links...

http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showthread.php?t=41754

From the dude who designed it:

"It's a product which increases uncoupling proteins 1, 2, 3 as well as manipulater vanilloid receptor 1 (TRPV1) to increase fatty acid oxidation through mitochondrial uncoupling. Basically, it's a powerful fat burner geared toward someone looking to get into contest shape. It also contains a Peak Condition duiretic to help you look pealed. This is seperate from Mitotropin and an added bonus.

Here are the ingredients.

3 MitoTABS per serving

Mitotropin Uncoupling Complex - 1275mg
N-Acetyl L-Canitine, Flax seed powder, undaria pinnatifida extract (10% fucoxanthin), grape seed extract (50% kaempherol), capsicum annum extract (40% capsiate), 3,3' diiodo-l-thyronine, 3,5-diiodo-l-thyronine

Thermophoric Lypolytic Acceleration Blend - 1774mg
L-Tyrosine, beta-phenylethylamine, green tea extract (50% polyphenols, 30% catechins), caffiene anhydrous USP, green coffee bean extract, hordenine, evodia rutaecarpa extract (10% evodiamine), synephrine, DL-phenylalanine, ginko biloba extract, uncaria rhynchophylla, sinofranchetia chinesis, Hyperzine-A.

Free Radical Attenuation Matrix - 158mg
Tumeric (curcuma longa root), artichoke extract (15% 3-0-caffeoylquinic acid), D-alpha-tocopherol, L-SE-Methylselenocysteine

Typical uncouplers are somewhat dangerous being that the effective dose is often too close to the lethal dose. This is reflected numerous times in various research studies and case reports. We were able to manipulate a few different pathways to increase the uncoupling fatty acid oxidation effect pretty well all the while not making the user feel like absolute shit from decreased ATP levels.

[Thinkbig]

I HAD A FEW SAMPLES, BUT AS WE KNOW ONE CANNOT SPEAK ON THE EFFECTIVENESS OF A FATBURNER WITH 5 SAMPLE PACKETS OF IT...lol.



HOWEVER I CAN SAY THAT FOR ME ATLEAST, IT DIDN'T SEEM TO GIVE ME MUCH OF A LIFT IN MY MOOD OR ENERGY LEVELS, I USED IT A FEW MONTHS BACK WHEN IT WAS FIRST RELEASED AND I COULDN'T REALLY TELL I WAS TAKING ANYTHING, NO INCREASED HEAT OR ENERGY EXPENDITURE WAS OBVIOUS, HOWEVER AGAIN I ONLY HAD 5 PACKS.

[gearheadz]

I HAD A FEW SAMPLES, BUT AS WE KNOW ONE CANNOT SPEAK ON THE EFFECTIVENESS OF A FATBURNER WITH 5 SAMPLE PACKETS OF IT...lol.



HOWEVER I CAN SAY THAT FOR ME ATLEAST, IT DIDN'T SEEM TO GIVE ME MUCH OF A LIFT IN MY MOOD OR ENERGY LEVELS, I USED IT A FEW MONTHS BACK WHEN IT WAS FIRST RELEASED AND I COULDN'T REALLY TELL I WAS TAKING ANYTHING, NO INCREASED HEAT OR ENERGY EXPENDITURE WAS OBVIOUS, HOWEVER AGAIN I ONLY HAD 5 PACKS.

Yeah his products of today IMO are far less from what they used to be when he first started up. Damm there r a few things of his I wish I would ofgrabbed up before he had to change the formula.

[ThatBro]

Im on day 4 and to be honest th feeling is very similar to DNP. Im very Lethargic and I must drink a lot of watter in order to feel half way normal during the day. My work out yesterday was about an hour long 18 sets and I was fucking beat... I ended the last 15min walking on the tredmill. I felt weak all over but like I said before its very similar feeling to DNP. Im not hung up on the results just yet and let me tell you Im expecting something good considering the uncomfort. I dont feel like Im runninghotlike on clen but I do get tired much easier. Thats it for now...

[BD100]

I HAD A FEW SAMPLES, BUT AS WE KNOW ONE CANNOT SPEAK ON THE EFFECTIVENESS OF A FATBURNER WITH 5 SAMPLE PACKETS OF IT...lol.



HOWEVER I CAN SAY THAT FOR ME ATLEAST, IT DIDN'T SEEM TO GIVE ME MUCH OF A LIFT IN MY MOOD OR ENERGY LEVELS, I USED IT A FEW MONTHS BACK WHEN IT WAS FIRST RELEASED AND I COULDN'T REALLY TELL I WAS TAKING ANYTHING, NO INCREASED HEAT OR ENERGY EXPENDITURE WAS OBVIOUS, HOWEVER AGAIN I ONLY HAD 5 PACKS.

Yeah his products of today IMO are far less from what they used to be when he first started up. Damm there r a few things of his I wish I would ofgrabbed up before he had to change the formula.

I used to use his products back in 2003 and he had some high quality stuff. I wish I would have stocked up on his Lipodex back then, that was the best fat burner I have ever taken.

[Thinkbig]

GOT ANYTHING TO REPORT BACK ON THIS?

I'M INTERESTED IN WHAT YOU THINK OF IT, BECAUSE I THINK ITS SHIT MOSTLY.

ONE THING THAT TURNED ME OFF OF IT RIOGHT AWAY WAS THAT IT HAS ALOT FO HEBRAL DIURETICS IN IT AS WELL, THERES REALLY NO REASON TO TAKE DIURETICS WHEN YOUR TRYING TO LOSE BODYFAT, AS THE BODY'S WATER TABLE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LIPOLYSIS IN THAT SENSE.

THGE ONLY REASON THEY ADD DIURETICS TO FATLKOSS FORMULAS LIKE THIS IS TO HELP TO MAKE THE USER LOSE WATER WEIGHT, AND SUBSEQUENTLY POUNDAGE FAST, WHICH CAN FOOL MANY UNEDUCATED PEOPLE INTO THINKING THE PRODUCT IS WORKING WHEN THEY GO TO THE SCALE TO CHECK THEIR WEIGHT.

A GOOD FATLOSS FORMULA WILL FOCUS ON THINGS THAT INCREASE THERMOGENESIS, THYROID OUTPUT, UNCOUPLING PROTEINS, THE SHUTTLING OF FAT IN THE BODY AND SUPPLY ENERGY AS WELL AS INCREASED FATBURNING THROUGH THE SUBSEQUENT JOLT OF NOREPINEPHRINE, THEN ADDRESS THINGS LIKE cAMP, T-3 TO T-3 CONVERSION, ETC.

THE ADDITON OF THINGS LIKE UVA URSI, HORSE TAIL, DANDELION, ETC. ARE MEANINGLESS AND OFFER ONLY A TEMPORARY WATER SHED EFFECT.

[bambam9193]

I've been taking this too for about a week now. So far I agree with the thirst but my energy hasn't increased. I've had headaches every day and my workout doesn't seem any better. I was taking Ripped Hardcore but I thought I'd give this a try. I have to say if I don't feel any different in the next few days I think I'm going to trade it in. So far I'm not impressed.

[Thinkbig]

YEAH, ITS LIKE I SAID, I AM AN AVID STIM USER, I USED EVERY FATBURNER EVER MADE MOSTLY FROM ABOUT 1997 TO 2003 HAVING WORKED IN AND THEN HAVING MY OWN SUPP SHOP, I HAVE SEEN THE WINNERS AND THE LOSERS, AND THIS SHIT DON'T DO MUCH FOR ME OR OTHERS I KNOW.

I THINK THE NEW VERSION OF VPX'S MELTDOWN IS A FAR BETTER PURELY FATLOSS PRODUCT THAN THIS.

[bambam9193]

I haven't tried the VPX...I'll have to give it a try. I'm not really sold on any fat burners but I like them to help suppress my appetite. The Ripped Hardcore makes me feel full pretty quick and on my low carb days I can go all day and not feel exhausted.

[Thinkbig]

YOHIMBINE HCL, NOR YOHIMBINE HCL AND THEW VARIOUS PHENYLETHYLAMINES REALLY DO WORK GOOD TO HELP TO INCREASE LIPOLYSIS.

THE KEY TO USING YOHIMBINE CORRECTLY IS THAT IT ONLY HELPS TO FREE UP FAT IN A BASICALLY LOW/NON INSULIN EXISTANT ENVIRONMENT, WHEN INSULIN IS PRESENT YOUR NOT GOING OT FREE UP FATTY ACIDS REGARDLESS, SO TAKING IT ON AN EMPTY STOMACH FIRST THIONG IN THE A.M. BEFORE CARDIO IS VERY BENEFICIAL.

I LIKE VPX'S MELTDOWN PRETTY GOOD FOR FATLOSS, BUT ITS NOT GOING TO DO MUCH FOR ENERGY OR APPETITE SUPRESSION.

FOR APPETITE SUPRESSION YOU CANNOT GO WRONG WITH A WACK OF STIMS, EPHEDRINE, SYNEPHRINE, CAFFEINE, VARIOUS AMPHETAMINES LIKE DRUGS SUCH AS PHENTERMINE, PHENETYLAMINE, ETC.

OR YOU CAN TRY SOME OF THE HERBAL COMPOUNDS LIKE HOODIA AND SUCH.

I HAVE NEVER BEEN A FA OF USING APPETITIE SUPRESSANTS BECAUSE I DON'T NEED THEM, I CAN TOLERATE NOT EATING FOR 2-3 DAYS WITHOUT TAKING ANYTHING, I JUST LIKE THE ADDED THERMOGENSIS THAT A GOOD FATBRUNER CAN OFFER, SOMETHING LIKE A 3-5% INCREASE IN METABOLISM (WHICH IS DOCUMENTED WITH ECA, AS WELL AS YACES STACKS, NOT THE HERBAL SHIT) OVER A 16-20 WEEK PERIOD CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE

P.S. YOHIMBE ( THE HERB) IS NOT YOHIMBINE HCL. ALOT OF PEOPLE GET THAT MIXED UP.

JUST AS EPHEDRIBE GROUP ALKALOIDS (MA HUANG/EPHEDRA) IS NOT EPHEDRINE HCL.

THE RESEARCH ALWAYS USED THE SYNTHETICS, BECAUSE THE HERBS HAVE UMPTEEN DIFFERENT ALKALOIDS SOME WORK GREAT SOME COUNTERACT EACH OTHER.

[monsoon]

I use the vpx myself.