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[MissKBuff]

Alright, this is mostly for the ladies...and anyone else who knows when it comes to women's reactions to these, etc...

I'm planning on taking some more stuff...as most of you know, I was on 30mg daily of Oxandrolone...and did that for about 3 cycles...(6 weeks on...8 weeks off)

I need something stroooonger

I was consiedering NPP, but wasn't sure if I wanted to go injectable yet...also...wondering of sides...

I don't get any sides anymore from the Oxandrolone, yes, a lot of people tell me that it's a huge amount to be doing, but I don't get any sides anymore. My clit grew enough and my voice got deeper, but I don't really want those to get even bigger/deeper....

I have right now two cycles worth of winny at my disposal, 20mg daily....but I'm not sure if I should go with the winny or try my hand at the NPP...

Has any woman here done these two? Which would be worse for sides? I know taht sides vary from person to person, but I'm just looking for a general ball park on them...

Thank you for your help!

[Grunt76]

Nandrolone is much harsher on most women than Boldenone or primobolan.

I know, esters and all that, but virilization is often permanent, making the thing about "stop if it gets bad" a fairly moot point.

A lot of ladies do well with a single shot of EQ of 300-600mg every 8-10 weeks. Or a couple shots of primo, then 6-8 weeks break. Of course you can take primo ace oral, "stacked" with the effects of the EQ which happen weeks 2-6 after the shot.

Cycling without turning into a man is very complex endocrinology and not many people have the knowledge. Certainly women competitors with the tren face aren't whom you want to ask. Most men either. Paying someone with that knowledge can yield some very worthwhile results.

[bambam9193]

Good question MKB...I wish I had the answers. I have heard a lot of good feedback from some female friends that the winny has given them good results. But the majority have also complained about wrist pain. Who knows though, I've never done winny and I have wrist pain every day. It could just be the nature of the beast for women that train hard.

I'd be personally terrified to "try" any experimental doses as a woman unless I knew without a doubt the information given to me is legit. And you never know, what worked well for someone might give you sides they didn't experience. Do you not feel like you're getting results with the 30 mg anymore?

[Grunt76]

I don't mean to be an jerk to you MKB but the very fact that you are using 30mg of var means something very clear to me: that you don't understand the very first thing about cycling steroids. And that is: instead of taking more and more of one thing, you split the dose among 2 things, in order to get more of the good effects and less of the bad ones. And it does sound like you got some damage from var.

I urge you to reconsider winging it, as I feel you don't have the knowledge to cycle without damaging yourself. And I'm not bashing - look at the "ladies" who do cycles, they mostly look like transvestites. They don't have the knowledge either. Doesn't mean it's not out there or that such virilization is unavoidable.

There are at least 2 other orals that are more suited to women than winny. There are 2 other injectables more suited to women than NPP.

Peace.

[ThatBro]

Running 50-75mg of Primobolan a week is legit advice for females. Very few sides and low dose with good diet and 0ver the counter supps will get you where you want to be with no irrevesable effects. Try Gaspari's Plasma and a good post work out with a solid routine set for your goals. Also it seems to me that if 30mg isnt yeilding results I wouldnt throw out the possibility its fake.

[MissKBuff]

Thanks all of you for the input.

The 30 var was definitely 100% real, and it got me excellent results. Thing is, it's run out now, and I can't get anymore at the moment, that is why I have decided to try something different, and something stronger aswell.

Grunt, you don't offend me. I got all of the good effects of it, and the bad ones are ones that I wanted. I'm happy with the clit size and the voice deepening. It's not that big of a difference. It's just that I wanted to stick with Ox, and the lesser amounts weren't giving me the results that I was looking for, when the 30mg was.

I know that I don't have a ton of knowledge on female steroid use and what goes along with that, but I definitely have enough knowledge to do this next cycle.

I just don't have a single person in my personal life who had any personal experience with this, either by being a woman themselves, or who personally know and/or have worked with women who have tried these things.

If I hadn't the knowledge at all, I wouldn't have asked, and just gone with it to begin with, but I'm smarter than that.

I have decided to go with 20mg of Winny daily for 6 weeks.

Also Grunt, it would be beneficial to me (and the other women on this board) if you could please list the other 2 orals and 2 injectibles that you speak of, and also, how they are better suited to women. This way I can get a better understanding, and thus improve my knowledge on the subject.

Thanks again for all of the advice! I really do appreciate it very much

[Grunt76]

Oral Turinabol has a nearly-nil androgenic effect component. Superdrol is second in line in the anabolic/androgenic ratios among orals. Var is third and winny seems a close fourth, although what I have observed among female athletes personally is that it reacts as more an androgen than it should.

Injectables for women are 1. Primobolan. 2. Boldenone. That's it. Unless the tranny look is part of the options, then of course nandrolone, testosterone and even trenbolone appear as options.

OTOH, steroids are ONE way in which bodybuilders attain their physiques and more nowadays realize the power of peptides when used right. Of course peptides have no gender.

[MissKBuff]

Oral Turinabol has a nearly-nil androgenic effect component. Superdrol is second in line in the anabolic/androgenic ratios among orals. Var is third and winny seems a close fourth, although what I have observed among female athletes personally is that it reacts as more an androgen than it should.

Injectables for women are 1. Primobolan. 2. Boldenone. That's it. Unless the tranny look is part of the options, then of course nandrolone, testosterone and even trenbolone appear as options.

OTOH, steroids are ONE way in which bodybuilders attain their physiques and more nowadays realize the power of peptides when used right. Of course peptides have no gender.

Thanks! I really appreciate this The Tranny look is definitely something that I am NOT looking to achieve, lol...

[Grunt76]

Oral Turinabol has a nearly-nil androgenic effect component. Superdrol is second in line in the anabolic/androgenic ratios among orals. Var is third and winny seems a close fourth, although what I have observed among female athletes personally is that it reacts as more an androgen than it should.

Injectables for women are 1. Primobolan. 2. Boldenone. That's it. Unless the tranny look is part of the options, then of course nandrolone, testosterone and even trenbolone appear as options.

OTOH, steroids are ONE way in which bodybuilders attain their physiques and more nowadays realize the power of peptides when used right. Of course peptides have no gender.

Thanks! I really appreciate this The Tranny look is definitely something that I am NOT looking to achieve, lol...

Nandrolone CAN be used but it is very borderline. If you do, NPP is right, but it is risky. The shorter the cycle the less likely that any sides will remain.

Your best bet would likely be boldenone no-ester into a transdermal. SUPER-fast acting, short active life... Good stuff.

Of course there ARE ways to prevent some of the, say, facial and genital virilization that can happen with the more androgenic AAS but none of them are very practical or fun. They require a very hardcore mentality. And at that point, the ladies stop caring about their feminity.

[MissKBuff]

Oral Turinabol has a nearly-nil androgenic effect component. Superdrol is second in line in the anabolic/androgenic ratios among orals. Var is third and winny seems a close fourth, although what I have observed among female athletes personally is that it reacts as more an androgen than it should.

Injectables for women are 1. Primobolan. 2. Boldenone. That's it. Unless the tranny look is part of the options, then of course nandrolone, testosterone and even trenbolone appear as options.

OTOH, steroids are ONE way in which bodybuilders attain their physiques and more nowadays realize the power of peptides when used right. Of course peptides have no gender.

Thanks! I really appreciate this The Tranny look is definitely something that I am NOT looking to achieve, lol...

Nandrolone CAN be used but it is very borderline. If you do, NPP is right, but it is risky. The shorter the cycle the less likely that any sides will remain.

Your best bet would likely be boldenone no-ester into a transdermal. SUPER-fast acting, short active life... Good stuff.

Of course there ARE ways to prevent some of the, say, facial and genital virilization that can happen with the more androgenic AAS but none of them are very practical or fun. They require a very hardcore mentality. And at that point, the ladies stop caring about their feminity.

I hear ya, I definitely have the dedication, but I do definitely agree with your last sentence, there is a fine line!

P.S: Since I have the winny already, I've started that at 20mg a day. If I start noticing something strange, or un-wanted, my Fiance is going to re-cap them for me at 15mg. Tpday is my 4th day, so far so good, lol...

[Grunt76]

Oral Turinabol has a nearly-nil androgenic effect component. Superdrol is second in line in the anabolic/androgenic ratios among orals. Var is third and winny seems a close fourth, although what I have observed among female athletes personally is that it reacts as more an androgen than it should.

Injectables for women are 1. Primobolan. 2. Boldenone. That's it. Unless the tranny look is part of the options, then of course nandrolone, testosterone and even trenbolone appear as options.

OTOH, steroids are ONE way in which bodybuilders attain their physiques and more nowadays realize the power of peptides when used right. Of course peptides have no gender.

Thanks! I really appreciate this The Tranny look is definitely something that I am NOT looking to achieve, lol...

Nandrolone CAN be used but it is very borderline. If you do, NPP is right, but it is risky. The shorter the cycle the less likely that any sides will remain.

Your best bet would likely be boldenone no-ester into a transdermal. SUPER-fast acting, short active life... Good stuff.

Of course there ARE ways to prevent some of the, say, facial and genital virilization that can happen with the more androgenic AAS but none of them are very practical or fun. They require a very hardcore mentality. And at that point, the ladies stop caring about their feminity.

I hear ya, I definitely have the dedication, but I do definitely agree with your last sentence, there is a fine line!

P.S: Since I have the winny already, I've started that at 20mg a day. If I start noticing something strange, or un-wanted, my Fiance is going to re-cap them for me at 15mg. Tpday is my 4th day, so far so good, lol...

Why not re-cap at 5mg, or even 3... That's what my female clients all do. Then you can adjust dosage according to needs and sides. 15mg is a lot of winny.

[bambam9193]

Keep us posted MKB on how it's going for you. I'm glad you posted this topic. And I'm curious how you think it compares to the Ox.

[MissKBuff]

Oral Turinabol has a nearly-nil androgenic effect component. Superdrol is second in line in the anabolic/androgenic ratios among orals. Var is third and winny seems a close fourth, although what I have observed among female athletes personally is that it reacts as more an androgen than it should.

Injectables for women are 1. Primobolan. 2. Boldenone. That's it. Unless the tranny look is part of the options, then of course nandrolone, testosterone and even trenbolone appear as options.

OTOH, steroids are ONE way in which bodybuilders attain their physiques and more nowadays realize the power of peptides when used right. Of course peptides have no gender.

Thanks! I really appreciate this The Tranny look is definitely something that I am NOT looking to achieve, lol...

Nandrolone CAN be used but it is very borderline. If you do, NPP is right, but it is risky. The shorter the cycle the less likely that any sides will remain.

Your best bet would likely be boldenone no-ester into a transdermal. SUPER-fast acting, short active life... Good stuff.

Of course there ARE ways to prevent some of the, say, facial and genital virilization that can happen with the more androgenic AAS but none of them are very practical or fun. They require a very hardcore mentality. And at that point, the ladies stop caring about their feminity.

I hear ya, I definitely have the dedication, but I do definitely agree with your last sentence, there is a fine line!

P.S: Since I have the winny already, I've started that at 20mg a day. If I start noticing something strange, or un-wanted, my Fiance is going to re-cap them for me at 15mg. Tpday is my 4th day, so far so good, lol...

Why not re-cap at 5mg, or even 3... That's what my female clients all do. Then you can adjust dosage according to needs and sides. 15mg is a lot of winny.

I appreciate your advice, however I think recapping it at 5 or especially 3 would be a waste for me...I'm only taking this once daily in the am. I think if I start out that low I will end up having to get them re-capped all the time which could be a pain in the ass. I've already watched a friend of mine take 15mg daily for a complete cycle and she was fine.

I'd rather shoot high and drop the dose should I need to. Most women only take 10mg of oxandrolone daily, and I was just not responding to that anymore either, which is why I upped it to 30mg daily for two or three cycles and had excellent results!

I think this goes on an individual basis, as these things respond differently to different people.

Thanks Bambam!!! So far so-good, it's perfect We'll see how it develops, and I will definitely keep you posted!

[Grunt76]

I appreciate your advice, however I think recapping it at 5 or especially 3 would be a waste for me...I'm only taking this once daily in the am. I think if I start out that low I will end up having to get them re-capped all the time which could be a pain in the ass. I've already watched a friend of mine take 15mg daily for a complete cycle and she was fine.

I'd rather shoot high and drop the dose should I need to. Most women only take 10mg of oxandrolone daily, and I was just not responding to that anymore either, which is why I upped it to 30mg daily for two or three cycles and had excellent results!

I think this goes on an individual basis, as these things respond differently to different people.

Thanks Bambam!!! So far so-good, it's perfect We'll see how it develops, and I will definitely keep you posted!

Yes, of course it is very individual. That's why even your friend being "perfectly fine" taking 15mg a day for a complete cycle means squat for you. Just be careful. If you think the female bodybuilders who look like trannies with tits decided from the get-go that they would end up looking like that, you are wrong. Most of them "end up" looking virilized when they were trying to avoid it all along, looking for more muscle.

So it clearly is NOT as easy as it looks.

[ThatBro]

I appreciate your advice, however I think recapping it at 5 or especially 3 would be a waste for me...I'm only taking this once daily in the am. I think if I start out that low I will end up having to get them re-capped all the time which could be a pain in the ass. I've already watched a friend of mine take 15mg daily for a complete cycle and she was fine.

I'd rather shoot high and drop the dose should I need to. Most women only take 10mg of oxandrolone daily, and I was just not responding to that anymore either, which is why I upped it to 30mg daily for two or three cycles and had excellent results!

I think this goes on an individual basis, as these things respond differently to different people.

Thanks Bambam!!! So far so-good, it's perfect We'll see how it develops, and I will definitely keep you posted!

Yes, of course it is very individual. That's why even your friend being "perfectly fine" taking 15mg a day for a complete cycle means squat for you. Just be careful. If you think the female bodybuilders who look like trannies with tits decided from the get-go that they would end up looking like that, you are wrong. Most of them "end up" looking virilized when they were trying to avoid it all along, looking for more muscle.

So it clearly is NOT as easy as it looks.

Glad you said that, bc I just had the same conversation with my GF last night. Ive been on the sauce for over 10years now and I still get gains on 200mg a week Test only.