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[toltec]

I am planning for my third cycle. I have been strictly using a Sustaton blend at 600mg/wk for 10wks for each of my previous cycles, with an added liquid d-bol for the second cycle, which I will not use again due to severe headaches. I am looking at running something new, such as: Test Enan 500mg/wk for 10 weeks, run with Deca at 300mg for 10 weeks. The reason for the doses is because my supplier runs in in such quantities, e.g. 250/mg 10ml, and 300mg 10ml. Would you consider these doses to be too low? Should I bite the bullet and buy additional quantities? Or would these supplies be adequate?

Additional info: Good results with previous cycles, 10-18lb gains. I am 6'4 210lbs, lean and looking to add more bulk.


Appreciate all the advice, you guys are great!!

[Pirate]

I don't recommend staking tren and deca. Not sure if that's what you were considering. Consider 600mg Test and 400mg Deca per week for minimum 12 weeks. Oral turnibol is a nice alternative to dbol, but you need about double the dose. Arimidex and HCG would round off the cycle.

[toltec]

What's the minimum or recommended amount for a proper PCT of HCG? Can you take it alone or must it be taken with Armidex, Nova, or Clomid?

I am not considering stacking Tren and Deca, just Deca with Test Enan.

Any more thoughts, thanks for the post!

[USNCTT]

500mg test and 300mg deca is pleanty to add size to you. I hate when people get the I need to take more to get bigger bull shit lol. If you are not going to compete and your not trying to make a living at it then just do it this way. Your body will thank you. Also anyone will tell you that you and a guy could take the same shit but he could be taking double what your taking but if he isnt busting ass in the gym and eating enough he will always look like shit compared to you. Make sure you eat atleast 2g of protein/lb of body weight and make sure you keep the carbs moderate and the fats light. That way when your done with bulking you wont have alot of fat to lose when u decide to cut. It will be an all clean bulk. When it comes to PCT everyone is different. I personally take clomid and nolva when I come off. Depending on what I run I will take 100mg of clomid and 40mg nolva for two weeks and then cut it to 50mg clomid and 20mg nolva for two weeks. That seems to work the best for me but usually I have tren in the mix(love that shit!) and tren shuts you down hard. Good luck with your cycle

The whole point of HCG is so your testicles dont shut down during your cycle. Now I dont have much experinece with it but I would assume that if the dont shut you wouldnt need much time to come back after your cycle is done but I would assume you would still have elevated levels of estrogen so I would take something like letro or a-dex to keep that estrogen in check. But like I said I dont have much experience with it.

[Realize]

I think the cycle is fine but I would run it a tad bit longer.

12 or 16 weeks to let your body get acclimated to the new size.

[piotr]

Nothing wrong with those doses of AAS for a guy your size and experience... You could take arimidex or letro during the cycle... That will lessen the impact of the course on your HPT axis, however it will also reduce your gains... Even if you run the AI there will be some shutdown and so u'll end up doing a PCT anyway... Considering you're running relatively low doses I would advise you not to bother with the AI... But do a rigorous PCT... You don't need HCG as 10 weeks isn't long enough to get any testicular atrophy (which is all HCG is good for)...

This is what I would do for PCT: 1.5 weeks after your last injections start 20mg nolva ED for 1 week... then 40mg nolva ED for 2 weeks... then 20mg nolva ED for 2 weeks...

The point of starting the nolva a week before the bulk of the AAS has cleared is to have an appreciable plasma concentration of tamoxifen circulating once the bulk of it has in fact cleared, which would be by around 2.5 weeks after last injection (I say bulk and not all as there still will be a little floating around at 2.5 week mark, but very little)... Then at 2.5 weeks after last shot slam the high doses... The plasma concentration of tamoxifen should be peaking just around the time essentially all the AAS has cleared... Beautiful... There's no need scrimping on a good PCT... This PCT may be considered a little overkill for a relatively light course but Nolva is cheap and readily available...

Good luck bro

piotr

[piotr]

yeah definitely run it a few weeks longer, sorry... but that still wont be enough to shrink your nuts so even then you need not concern yourself with HCG

piotr

[\SHINE/]

Imo I think realy if one uses an AI for such a cycyle, low dose letro would be best. It actualy can help gains since it will increase IGF rather than reduce it like ana.

peace.

[piotr]

Imo I think realy if one uses an AI for such a cycyle, low dose letro would be best. It actualy can help gains since it will increase IGF rather than reduce it like ana.

peace.

thats an excellent point actually I should have discriminated between the AIs... I have a bad habit of always thinking in terms of anastrazole because thats all I ever used

piotr