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[GodSize]

Hey all,

I've gone without the use of AAS for a couple years, and lately have been yearning to pack on some immense quality size. I've got a cycle planned out so far consisting of 12-weeks, but I'm debating on if I want to plan it around maybe a 24 week period. Reasons being I want to get as much size as possible within those 6 months, and don't plan on another cycle for quite some time. And hey, I'm going to be shut down anyways.

Here's what it looks like so far (work in progress)

Weeks 1-2 Test Prop @ 100mg EOD
Weeks 1-4 T400 @ 0.5ml 2x/wk
Weeks 1-4 TnT @ 1ml 2x/wk

Weeks 4-12 Adex @ 10mg/Day
Weeks 4-8 A50 @ 100mg/Day
Weeks 4-8 T400 @ 1ml 2x/wk
Weeks 4-8 TNT @ 1ml 2x/wk
Weeks 4-8 4+iu slin PWO (up to 10iu)
Weeks 4-8 100mcg grf(1-29) and 100mcg ghrp-2 3x/Day (on workout days only)

Weeks 8-12 T400 @ 1ml 2x/wk
Weeks 8-12 Deca @ 1ml 2x/wk

I've neglected to add in any PCT as of yet, because I'm still playing with the extended cycle idea. Weeks 8-12 I'm still toying with as well. I may just use 2ml TNT 2x/week instead of the t400 and Deca. I just have some extra deca and am thinking about adding it.

Anyone have any ideas/ Thoughts/ Criticisms on the above, or the idea of going the additional 12 weeks?




BTW, stats are 210lbs, 5'9. ~18%BF. 27 yr old.

[Rider]

You should run the deca from the beginning, because 4 weeks of deca is not enough.

Also, kickstart your cycle with Anadrol in the first 4 weeks. I think you'll like it better this way.

BTW, you're going to gain a lot of size back, quickly. Since you've been off for a couple of years, you're receptors are fresh.

[bgptbull81]

i would also try anadrol to kcikstart at 50mg ed. also run decca from the beginning also and maybe stop around week 10 if you are going 12 weeks.

[GymFreak]

IMO I see no problem with running a long Cycle. I am going to run the cycle I am on right now for probably 25 Weeks. I am running Dbol/Test Enanthate/Prope. The Dbol I am running 40mg Daily for the first 2 weeks, then 35mg Daily for 2 weeks, with the Test Enanthate being run at 900mg Weekly for the First 4 weeks, than droping down to 600mg Weekly for almost the remainder of my cycle, and then running the Prope the last 4 weeks at 100mg EOD.

I am a very big fan of long cycles.

[GodSize]

You should run the deca from the beginning, because 4 weeks of deca is not enough.

Also, kickstart your cycle with Anadrol in the first 4 weeks. I think you'll like it better this way.

BTW, you're going to gain a lot of size back, quickly. Since you've been off for a couple of years, you're receptors are fresh.

While I think kickstarting with Anadrol with most cycles would be best, I'm thinking it may (no science to back this up) possible increase my results while running my slin/ghrp/grf. I could be wrong, but it's almost an experiment as well.

As for running the deca from beginning to end, I wanted to limit the amount of injections (cc's) I'd have to put in. But, I didn't take into account the reasoning behind the t400 was this same reason. Inclusion of the Deca throughout shouldn't be an issue as the max amount I'd put in at any time would be 3cc's (qlute will be sore ).


I'm starting to lean towards doing a 12 week cycle, and repeating the slin/ghrp/grf through my PCT to help retain (or make?) gains.

Some opinions tend to think the longer on cycle one is, the more the body wants to reach homeostasis and return to baseline. I haven't ventured too far over 12-16 weeks to give my opinion on that however.

[mugzy]

You should run the deca from the beginning, because 4 weeks of deca is not enough.

Also, kickstart your cycle with Anadrol in the first 4 weeks. I think you'll like it better this way.

BTW, you're going to gain a lot of size back, quickly. Since you've been off for a couple of years, you're receptors are fresh.

While I think kickstarting with Anadrol with most cycles would be best, I'm thinking it may (no science to back this up) possible increase my results while running my slin/ghrp/grf. I could be wrong, but it's almost an experiment as well.

As for running the deca from beginning to end, I wanted to limit the amount of injections (cc's) I'd have to put in. But, I didn't take into account the reasoning behind the t400 was this same reason. Inclusion of the Deca throughout shouldn't be an issue as the max amount I'd put in at any time would be 3cc's (qlute will be sore ).


I'm starting to lean towards doing a 12 week cycle, and repeating the slin/ghrp/grf through my PCT to help retain (or make?) gains.

Some opinions tend to think the longer on cycle one is, the more the body wants to reach homeostasis and return to baseline. I haven't ventured too far over 12-16 weeks to give my opinion on that however.

I really dont like the way Anadrol makes me feel... you almost feel toxic not to mention after two sets Im so pumped I have to quit anyhow. The extended cycle is fine just hit HCG and or clomid once a month as you are pretty far into it already. Good luck and keep us posted.

[GodSize]

After some deliberation, I've decided to go the following route:

Weeks 1-2 Test Prop @ 100mg EOD
Weeks 1-4 T400 @ 0.5ml 2x/wk
Weeks 1-4 TnT @ 1ml 2x/wk
Weeks 1-4 A50 @ 100mg/Day
Weeks 1-14 Adex @ 10mg/Day

Weeks 4-8 T400 @ 1ml 2x/wk
Weeks 4-8 TNT @ 1ml 2x/wk
Weeks 4-8 4+iu slin PWO (up to 10iu)
Weeks 4-8 100mcg grf(1-29) and 100mcg ghrp-2 3x/Day (on workout days only)

Weeks 8-12 T400 @ 1ml 2x/wk
Weeks 1-12 Deca @ 1ml 2x/wk

PCT again, isn't planned in full, but I will include:
100mcg grf(1-29) and 100mcg ghrp-2 3x/Day (on workout days only)

For those who don't know, TnT is a blend of Test Enanthate (250mg/ml) and Tren Enanthate (150mg/ml). T400 is 200mg Test Enanthate and 200mg Test Decanoate.

I decided against the longer cycle as I couldn't obtain any proviron for one, and without this, I find that the longer the cycle the more return to baseline would be likely to occur.

This 12 week cycle should result in explosive gains, and with the incorporation of the slin+peptides during PCT I should be able to retain a fair amount of my gains.

I'll keep everyone posted on my results however!

[Rider]

Looks well planned, just be careful with doing Tren E and Deca as the two put together can lead to side effects, mainly becoming limp if you know what I mean.

Also, it would be a good idea to include HCG starting around the 2nd week til the end in small doses as this will help ease you're recovery.

[GodSize]

Looks well planned, just be careful with doing Tren E and Deca as the two put together can lead to side effects, mainly becoming limp if you know what I mean.

I was counting on the test counteract deca d@#k? I'd be taking close to 1g test a week!

You make a good point though, the combination might be a bit much, especially when taking into consideration my susceptibility to gyno... I may have to adjust the timing somewhat, or hold the deca until the last four weeks as opposed to the last two as my original plan has.


Also, what dose/frequency would you run the HCG throughout?

[Rider]

Looks well planned, just be careful with doing Tren E and Deca as the two put together can lead to side effects, mainly becoming limp if you know what I mean.

I was counting on the test counteract deca d@#k? I'd be taking close to 1g test a week!

You make a good point though, the combination might be a bit much, especially when taking into consideration my susceptibility to gyno... I may have to adjust the timing somewhat, or hold the deca until the last four weeks as opposed to the last two as my original plan has.


Also, what dose/frequency would you run the HCG throughout?

No, believe it or not too much test will negatively effect you're libido. Remember, not only will your test levels rise, but also your estrogen levels. It's your body's way of reaching homeostasis.
I think you'd be happier choosing to run either Tren or Deca, one or the other, not both.


With HCG, you should go for 400-500IU per week. IMO, HCG is very important, because it really does make a huge difference when you go into pct.



Godsize, I've known guys who decided to run Deca and Tren in the same cycle, and midway through their cycle they had no sex drive and they went limp.

Not even Cialis was enough to counteract this side effect.

[GodSize]

Thanks again Rider, you're suggestions are once again appreciated!

[GodSize]

For those interested, I decided to change my peptide usage to the following:

100mcg grf(1-29) + 100mcg ghrp-2 2x ED and 100mcg grf(1-29) + 100mcg Ipamorelin ED 1/2 hour before bed..

Reasoning is peptides are better used consistently, and Ipamorelin is preferable over ghrp-2 before bedtime.


I plan on starting the cycle in the next 2-3 weeks and will be keeping a weekly log.

[GodSize]

So I've begun. I don't have all my supplies in yet however. Hopefully everything arrives this week, but I've got everything I need on hand for this week anyways. I know it may not be that great of an idea, but I need to start now so I'm not running slin/pep's while I go down to Minneapolis in October for a few weeks.

Having said that, under which forum should I post my weekly log?

[Rider]

So I've begun. I don't have all my supplies in yet however. Hopefully everything arrives this week, but I've got everything I need on hand for this week anyways. I know it may not be that great of an idea, but I need to start now so I'm not running slin/pep's while I go down to Minneapolis in October for a few weeks.

Having said that, under which forum should I post my weekly log?

Sounds good, keep up posted.