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[chgolatin2]

Getting more and more interested in peptides so for those that have experience with it. What compounds are better for fat loss. I've research Sermorelin and CJC 1295, is that a good combo? Also, I am adding green tea capsules for added benefits of fat loss and health reasons.

Any help???? Thanks

[ajdos]

CJC and GHRP-6 I am hearing good things about that combo.

[midevil]

indeed peptides are effective. As aj mentioned ghrp-6 or 2 stacked with cjc-1295 IS effective. I have been running hgh in the am low dose 2iu's combined with ghrp-6 @ 250 mcg / cjc @ 100 mcg x 1 to 2 times per day. I have been happy with the results considering training isn't @ 100% because of injury. I think this protocol has also help in healing a partially torn rot cuf.

[chgolatin2]

Are you running CJC everyday? thought that you only needed to do it once or twice per week? How do I use that combo? Sorry bro, new to this peptide stuff. Any clarification would be helpful!


Thanks

indeed peptides are effective. As aj mentioned ghrp-6 or 2 stacked with cjc-1295 IS effective. I have been running hgh in the am low dose 2iu's combined with ghrp-6 @ 250 mcg / cjc @ 100 mcg x 1 to 2 times per day. I have been happy with the results considering training isn't @ 100% because of injury. I think this protocol has also help in healing a partially torn rot cuf.

[Kosher Fried]

tagged also for interest

...been thinking of stocking up on those 2 myself

but ya got cjc 1293 w or wo DAC, 1295 w or wo DAC, ghrp-2 and ghrp-6...waiting on more real world results for an effective combo

...seems to be 1295 wo DAC and GHRP-2 (no insane hunger as with the 6)...but that's all i got so far

Are you running CJC everyday? thought that you only needed to do it once or twice per week? How do I use that combo? Sorry bro, new to this peptide stuff. Any clarification would be helpful!


Thanks

indeed peptides are effective. As aj mentioned ghrp-6 or 2 stacked with cjc-1295 IS effective. I have been running hgh in the am low dose 2iu's combined with ghrp-6 @ 250 mcg / cjc @ 100 mcg x 1 to 2 times per day. I have been happy with the results considering training isn't @ 100% because of injury. I think this protocol has also help in healing a partially torn rot cuf.

[midevil]

ok here is some protocal and dose info that was given to me and later posted on my home board. It helped me to underatand the basics. Posted By Bilter @ UMASS.

Best Choices for GHRP's.

GHRP-6 Good GH spike when used with a GRF, large increase in hunger. Elevates prolactin and cortisol levels
GHRP-2 Good GH spike, when used with a GRF, on par with GHRP-6 without the hunger. Elevates prolactin and cortisol levels
Ipamorelin good GH spike when used with a GRF. GH spike is not as high as GHRP-2 or 6 but it does not elevate prolactin or cortisol.


Note: in order for a GHRP to have a positive affect and create a GH spike alone one as to be very lucky in the timing and hope it is injected at time when Somatostatin is low in the body. Somatostatin blunts GH release in the presence of just GHRP. Using GRF will override the signal presented by Somatostatin so you will get a very dramatic GH pulse.


GRF's (GHRH)
Two choices

Mod GRF 1-29, higher GH peaks, short half life (30 minutes) most closely mimics your bodies own GH pulses but far greater amplitude
CJC 1295 long half life (7days). Lower GH amplitude when used with GHRP, raises the troughs in the bodies GH level profile, the downside is it creates GH bleed. Think of the GH as being stored in a jar until someone (thing) opens up the faucet. It is best if the jar is full and then dumps. CJC does not allow the jar to fill. Current recommendations are to avoid CJC


Saturation dose for any of the GHRH's or GHRP's including Ipamorelin is 100mcg (or 1mcg / kg of bodyweight) so this is all based on a 100mcg dose.

As you may know, it is best to pin 1.5 to 2 hours after eating any fats or carbs and then after you pin don't eat any fats or carbs for 20-30 minutes as they will blunt the GH release. Pure protein is OK but I try to avoid all foods. Also, pure protein is OK within 1 hour prior to pinning.


Dosings should be 3 hours apart or more.

Mornings upon waking pre cardio (if you are doing any), afternoon (or PWO) and before bed pin mod GRF 1-29 / GHRP (or Ipamorelin) @ 100mcg / 100mcg. (2 pinnings per day are also adaquate for improvements in recovery, better sleep etc. 3 will make you a bit more anabolic than 2 and you can even go 4 if the pocket book allows.

If you include GH in this protocol it should be 10 minutes after the peptides. So, first pin the peptides, wait 10-15 minutes and then pin your GH. Reason being is that Exogenous GH administration can also blunt GH release.

Wait 20-30 minutes after pinning the peptides and you are free to eat.


When you recon your peptides use as little BW as you can. I don't go as low as some people because I figure I don't want to leave a drop of highly concentrated peptide in the vial that I can not get out. The less BW used for recon the less the degradation of the peptide over time.

If you premix a shot ahead of time, don't let it sit mixed for more than 8 hours or so. When mixed they will exchange ions and who know what the final compound would be called :-). I actually have a way to preload without mixing the peptides until I am ready to pin it.

Do not pin IGF within 1 hour of pinning your peptides. IGF has a feedback loop that inhibits GH release.

this is all I needed to get rolling.

[chgolatin2]

Awesome, thanks!

ok here is some protocal and dose info that was given to me and later posted on my home board. It helped me to underatand the basics. Posted By Bilter @ UMASS.

Best Choices for GHRP's.

GHRP-6 Good GH spike when used with a GRF, large increase in hunger. Elevates prolactin and cortisol levels
GHRP-2 Good GH spike, when used with a GRF, on par with GHRP-6 without the hunger. Elevates prolactin and cortisol levels
Ipamorelin good GH spike when used with a GRF. GH spike is not as high as GHRP-2 or 6 but it does not elevate prolactin or cortisol.


Note: in order for a GHRP to have a positive affect and create a GH spike alone one as to be very lucky in the timing and hope it is injected at time when Somatostatin is low in the body. Somatostatin blunts GH release in the presence of just GHRP. Using GRF will override the signal presented by Somatostatin so you will get a very dramatic GH pulse.


GRF's (GHRH)
Two choices

Mod GRF 1-29, higher GH peaks, short half life (30 minutes) most closely mimics your bodies own GH pulses but far greater amplitude
CJC 1295 long half life (7days). Lower GH amplitude when used with GHRP, raises the troughs in the bodies GH level profile, the downside is it creates GH bleed. Think of the GH as being stored in a jar until someone (thing) opens up the faucet. It is best if the jar is full and then dumps. CJC does not allow the jar to fill. Current recommendations are to avoid CJC


Saturation dose for any of the GHRH's or GHRP's including Ipamorelin is 100mcg (or 1mcg / kg of bodyweight) so this is all based on a 100mcg dose.

As you may know, it is best to pin 1.5 to 2 hours after eating any fats or carbs and then after you pin don't eat any fats or carbs for 20-30 minutes as they will blunt the GH release. Pure protein is OK but I try to avoid all foods. Also, pure protein is OK within 1 hour prior to pinning.


Dosings should be 3 hours apart or more.

Mornings upon waking pre cardio (if you are doing any), afternoon (or PWO) and before bed pin mod GRF 1-29 / GHRP (or Ipamorelin) @ 100mcg / 100mcg. (2 pinnings per day are also adaquate for improvements in recovery, better sleep etc. 3 will make you a bit more anabolic than 2 and you can even go 4 if the pocket book allows.

If you include GH in this protocol it should be 10 minutes after the peptides. So, first pin the peptides, wait 10-15 minutes and then pin your GH. Reason being is that Exogenous GH administration can also blunt GH release.

Wait 20-30 minutes after pinning the peptides and you are free to eat.


When you recon your peptides use as little BW as you can. I don't go as low as some people because I figure I don't want to leave a drop of highly concentrated peptide in the vial that I can not get out. The less BW used for recon the less the degradation of the peptide over time.

If you premix a shot ahead of time, don't let it sit mixed for more than 8 hours or so. When mixed they will exchange ions and who know what the final compound would be called :-). I actually have a way to preload without mixing the peptides until I am ready to pin it.

Do not pin IGF within 1 hour of pinning your peptides. IGF has a feedback loop that inhibits GH release.

this is all I needed to get rolling.

[GodSize]

Great post for peptide Newbs.

I'd like to add in though, whith GHRP-6 there seems to be a increased risk of GH bleed. This is preferable to avoid as it can cause negative effects like organ growth, etc...

Also, saturation dose of most of these ghrp's, and ghrh's are at about 100mcg/dose.

Just something to keep in mind

ok here is some protocal and dose info that was given to me and later posted on my home board. It helped me to underatand the basics. Posted By Bilter @ UMASS.

Best Choices for GHRP's.

GHRP-6 Good GH spike when used with a GRF, large increase in hunger. Elevates prolactin and cortisol levels
GHRP-2 Good GH spike, when used with a GRF, on par with GHRP-6 without the hunger. Elevates prolactin and cortisol levels
Ipamorelin good GH spike when used with a GRF. GH spike is not as high as GHRP-2 or 6 but it does not elevate prolactin or cortisol.


Note: in order for a GHRP to have a positive affect and create a GH spike alone one as to be very lucky in the timing and hope it is injected at time when Somatostatin is low in the body. Somatostatin blunts GH release in the presence of just GHRP. Using GRF will override the signal presented by Somatostatin so you will get a very dramatic GH pulse.


GRF's (GHRH)
Two choices

Mod GRF 1-29, higher GH peaks, short half life (30 minutes) most closely mimics your bodies own GH pulses but far greater amplitude
CJC 1295 long half life (7days). Lower GH amplitude when used with GHRP, raises the troughs in the bodies GH level profile, the downside is it creates GH bleed. Think of the GH as being stored in a jar until someone (thing) opens up the faucet. It is best if the jar is full and then dumps. CJC does not allow the jar to fill. Current recommendations are to avoid CJC


Saturation dose for any of the GHRH's or GHRP's including Ipamorelin is 100mcg (or 1mcg / kg of bodyweight) so this is all based on a 100mcg dose.

As you may know, it is best to pin 1.5 to 2 hours after eating any fats or carbs and then after you pin don't eat any fats or carbs for 20-30 minutes as they will blunt the GH release. Pure protein is OK but I try to avoid all foods. Also, pure protein is OK within 1 hour prior to pinning.


Dosings should be 3 hours apart or more.

Mornings upon waking pre cardio (if you are doing any), afternoon (or PWO) and before bed pin mod GRF 1-29 / GHRP (or Ipamorelin) @ 100mcg / 100mcg. (2 pinnings per day are also adaquate for improvements in recovery, better sleep etc. 3 will make you a bit more anabolic than 2 and you can even go 4 if the pocket book allows.

If you include GH in this protocol it should be 10 minutes after the peptides. So, first pin the peptides, wait 10-15 minutes and then pin your GH. Reason being is that Exogenous GH administration can also blunt GH release.

Wait 20-30 minutes after pinning the peptides and you are free to eat.


When you recon your peptides use as little BW as you can. I don't go as low as some people because I figure I don't want to leave a drop of highly concentrated peptide in the vial that I can not get out. The less BW used for recon the less the degradation of the peptide over time.

If you premix a shot ahead of time, don't let it sit mixed for more than 8 hours or so. When mixed they will exchange ions and who know what the final compound would be called :-). I actually have a way to preload without mixing the peptides until I am ready to pin it.

Do not pin IGF within 1 hour of pinning your peptides. IGF has a feedback loop that inhibits GH release.

this is all I needed to get rolling.

[Grunt76]

How about the GH frag 176? I heard this was suppose to work wonders for fat loss... I haven't been following up on it, so what's the verdict?

[midevil]

Great post for peptide Newbs.

I'd like to add in though, whith GHRP-6 there seems to be a increased risk of GH bleed. This is preferable to avoid as it can cause negative effects like organ growth, etc...

Also, saturation dose of most of these ghrp's, and ghrh's are at about 100mcg/dose.

Just something to keep in mind

ok here is some protocal and dose info that was given to me and later posted on my home board. It helped me to underatand the basics. Posted By Bilter @ UMASS.

Best Choices for GHRP's.

GHRP-6 Good GH spike when used with a GRF, large increase in hunger. Elevates prolactin and cortisol levels
GHRP-2 Good GH spike, when used with a GRF, on par with GHRP-6 without the hunger. Elevates prolactin and cortisol levels
Ipamorelin good GH spike when used with a GRF. GH spike is not as high as GHRP-2 or 6 but it does not elevate prolactin or cortisol.


Note: in order for a GHRP to have a positive affect and create a GH spike alone one as to be very lucky in the timing and hope it is injected at time when Somatostatin is low in the body. Somatostatin blunts GH release in the presence of just GHRP. Using GRF will override the signal presented by Somatostatin so you will get a very dramatic GH pulse.


GRF's (GHRH)
Two choices

Mod GRF 1-29, higher GH peaks, short half life (30 minutes) most closely mimics your bodies own GH pulses but far greater amplitude
CJC 1295 long half life (7days). Lower GH amplitude when used with GHRP, raises the troughs in the bodies GH level profile, the downside is it creates GH bleed. Think of the GH as being stored in a jar until someone (thing) opens up the faucet. It is best if the jar is full and then dumps. CJC does not allow the jar to fill. Current recommendations are to avoid CJC


Saturation dose for any of the GHRH's or GHRP's including Ipamorelin is 100mcg (or 1mcg / kg of bodyweight) so this is all based on a 100mcg dose.

As you may know, it is best to pin 1.5 to 2 hours after eating any fats or carbs and then after you pin don't eat any fats or carbs for 20-30 minutes as they will blunt the GH release. Pure protein is OK but I try to avoid all foods. Also, pure protein is OK within 1 hour prior to pinning.


Dosings should be 3 hours apart or more.

Mornings upon waking pre cardio (if you are doing any), afternoon (or PWO) and before bed pin mod GRF 1-29 / GHRP (or Ipamorelin) @ 100mcg / 100mcg. (2 pinnings per day are also adaquate for improvements in recovery, better sleep etc. 3 will make you a bit more anabolic than 2 and you can even go 4 if the pocket book allows.

If you include GH in this protocol it should be 10 minutes after the peptides. So, first pin the peptides, wait 10-15 minutes and then pin your GH. Reason being is that Exogenous GH administration can also blunt GH release.

Wait 20-30 minutes after pinning the peptides and you are free to eat.


When you recon your peptides use as little BW as you can. I don't go as low as some people because I figure I don't want to leave a drop of highly concentrated peptide in the vial that I can not get out. The less BW used for recon the less the degradation of the peptide over time.

If you premix a shot ahead of time, don't let it sit mixed for more than 8 hours or so. When mixed they will exchange ions and who know what the final compound would be called :-). I actually have a way to preload without mixing the peptides until I am ready to pin it.

Do not pin IGF within 1 hour of pinning your peptides. IGF has a feedback loop that inhibits GH release.

this is all I needed to get rolling.

thanks Bro..

[GodSize]

How about the GH frag 176? I heard this was suppose to work wonders for fat loss... I haven't been following up on it, so what's the verdict?

Initial research seems to show that it does seem to be responsible for free fatty acid release, causing decreased hunger. Some reports I've read where it has been dosed 4-5x a day left the user with virtually no hunger throughout the day.

Having said that, I'll look into it to you and see what I can dig up.

I do know that fat loss is noted widely through the use of most (if not all) ghrp+ghrh's. This is most likely due to increased GH release.

You might also want to look into "Carbless post workout nutrition". There are some IMPRESSIVE results out there using 1-2 iu of slin PWO using such specific nutrition guidelines.

[midevil]

How about the GH frag 176? I heard this was suppose to work wonders for fat loss... I haven't been following up on it, so what's the verdict?

Initial research seems to show that it does seem to be responsible for free fatty acid release, causing decreased hunger. Some reports I've read where it has been dosed 4-5x a day left the user with virtually no hunger throughout the day.

Having said that, I'll look into it to you and see what I can dig up.

I do know that fat loss is noted widely through the use of most (if not all) ghrp+ghrh's. This is most likely due to increased GH release.

You might also want to look into "Carbless post workout nutrition". There are some IMPRESSIVE results out there using 1-2 iu of slin PWO using such specific nutrition guidelines.

I'VE been looking into and considering a low dose slin protocol combined with peptides and aas. Still in research mode right now.