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[deadweight]

So im really decideing to do some slin....Im looking to pack on more weight....Ive heardfrom others that slin is good for massing up.....Why?..I mean i dont want to start more drugs if its all just awaste of time and money....i can get my hand on 2 vails of some long acting slin dirt cheap...Also,how long would i need to run slin?Remember im looking to pack some weight on...As of now im maxed out on protein intake and my food intake is large...im getting around 5,000 cals ed..on a avg...hit and miss.....Please just someone answer with experiance..i can only get so much concept from text books..i rather hear it from someone that has ran slin for mass.thanks dw

[Hotdog]

I've tried Humalog a few times, which is a fast acting insulin. I believe it's at full effect within an hour and out of your system completeely within 3 hours. Fast acting short life insulin is easier to control. You have to start out with a low dosage, then increase dosage slowly to find your tolerence level, or sweet spot. INSULIN CAN BE EXTREMELY DANGEROUS SH*T. Humalog is by prescription only in the US, but the Canadian pharmacies mail the stuff out all the time without one.

Insulin can kill you in a hurry! You really have to be carefull and prepared at all times. I used to carry a sports drink with high (sugary) carbs with me everywhere I went. I'd only run it for a maximum of three weeks at a time (that's me) because you could become a diabetic from extended use. Insulin packs on bulk like no other. But the risk is very high!! Beware!

Peace,

Hotdog - VIP

[Hardontest]

DW brotha, quick short answer is, you don't want long acting slin.

[\SHINE/]

DW brotha, quick short answer is, you don't want long acting slin.

Amen to that , TB is right.

bro I remember you saying A-drol was messing with your blood sugar some, get you some humalog.
The damn R has a second spike that takes most by suprise and crashes the blood sugar when they least expect it.

Good thing about humalog is it actualy helps insulin recpetor sensitivity as well.

Also I advise grab you some metformin for the days you dont use slin.

[deadweight]

thanks alot brothers.i will make sure to get the fast acting slin.....a freind of mine has a fewbottles of the long acting slin but after what yall said i dant need to be crashing down when i less expect it.atleast with the fast acting i can controll the siutions better...if i do decide to do this i'll be sending u bros some pms///so you can lead me down the right path....in a way im scared to do it but that other side of me wants to....the last thing i want is to face death again...its not a good feeling i tell ya...its the worst kind and its unexplainable .....when my blood sugar crashed on the anadrol..o felt so bad i was praying to god to help me....and let me say.anytime u cry out to god for help..its got to be a bad situation.then the next thing i know i blacked out..but came too real quick after i hit the floor and i felt better.....then there was 2 other times before that useing anadrol and thinking matbe it was that brand i was useing that made me feel sick.....My dum ass should have realized anadrol is anadrol no matter what brand.Its all the same chemical ..but the first two times i had the same effect except i didnt black out......it was some bad shit....dw

[Hotdog]

deadweight - Slin can work-out well, and produce noticable gains. You just have to be cautious. One of the side-effects I experienced with slin is it makes you sleepy. So, I always made sure I ate something post-workout and had enough carbs in me in the event I went to sleep. I used to workout at home alone.


Peace,

Hotdog - VIP

[pux888]

I prefer Humalog and around 10us post workout is a fair dose. Id take that right after training the have a quick can of coke and protein shake. About 45 minutes after that a chicken breast and potato. The great thing about fast acting slin is that its in and out of your body quickly.

[BLUESTORM]

Hey DW, I know you are more of the powerlifter style, but have you ever done a good cut? If you have been banging out those kinds of calories for a while, it can get pretty hard to add more calories on top of that. Especially when it comes to using slin. Fats are usually the easiest way to add some calories, but you don't really want to do that while on slin.
I ask about the cut because of the effect of supercompensation after a good cut. I have used this as a tool to get past plateaus before. Sometimes it just seems like you are doing more eating than anything else in life and you are only maintaining what you already have. When that happens, cutting/dieting, can help. When the cut is over, your body will supercompensate calories, nutrients, etc, and you will blow up. Some people believe you only go back to what you were before the cut, but it certainly can break you past barriers. For the people that think it doesn't work, it is more of a lack of dedication than anything else.

Shine brought up a good point. Get some Metformin(Glucophage). You can even try that prior to the slin use. It increases insulin receptor sensitivity and shuttles nutrients into the muscle cells. That alone might help you start to add some muscle mass with all the calories you already consume. Many people(myself included)use metformin as a tool for cutting/weightloss, but it can be used for mass gains as well.

As for the slin use, definitely get some fast acting slin. And start low. You can start with using it post workout. Then gradually up the dose or add a morning shot if you get comfortable with it.

[vtliftvt]

Deadweight,

Since it's your first go with slin I don't want to get to complicated with protocals but there are certainly more advanced ways of getting the most out of slin. If you want to PM me we can discuss those methods further as what I've done and had the best results from is VERY similar to that of what Milos suggests. You know where to hit me up so feel free to do so if you want to get into that disucssion.

Couple things though that I feel very strongly about.

1) the whole "add 10 carbs per iu" is complete bullshit....thats how you get fat. You may want to try that you first few pins but once you get accustomed to how your body responds you most likely will find that its overkill and not the best way to go about staying lean while gaining mass.

2) start pinning around 3-4iu PWO and sip...and i do mean SIP on a drink of around 50-60 carbs of something like waxy maize, dextrose, swedish corn starch etc. I think the best results would be with 30-50 grams of hydroslate whey, 10 grams BCAA (20 grams wouldnt hurt), 5 grams creatine and a little sea salt to help with hydration. Make sure to drink plenty of water if its waxy you're using also.

3) keep some dextrose tabs around just in case but you shouldnt need anymore carbs than that with so little slin.

Start there and see how things go. Once you get comfortable with that then hit me up and Id love to discuss some other methods that I've found reaped much better results and I think you'd love as well.

[\SHINE/]

Yup Milos Sarcev pretty much introduced insulin to the bb community.

Although I havn't done insulin for a-while I used alot of his ideas. Good stuff.

[Hardontest]

Deadweight,

Since it's your first go with slin I don't want to get to complicated with protocals but there are certainly more advanced ways of getting the most out of slin. If you want to PM me we can discuss those methods further as what I've done and had the best results from is VERY similar to that of what Milos suggests. You know where to hit me up so feel free to do so if you want to get into that disucssion.

Couple things though that I feel very strongly about.

1) the whole "add 10 carbs per iu" is complete bullshit....thats how you get fat. You may want to try that you first few pins but once you get accustomed to how your body responds you most likely will find that its overkill and not the best way to go about staying lean while gaining mass.

2) start pinning around 3-4iu PWO and sip...and i do mean SIP on a drink of around 50-60 carbs of something like waxy maize, dextrose, swedish corn starch etc. I think the best results would be with 30-50 grams of hydroslate whey, 10 grams BCAA (20 grams wouldnt hurt), 5 grams creatine and a little sea salt to help with hydration. Make sure to drink plenty of water if its waxy you're using also.

3) keep some dextrose tabs around just in case but you shouldnt need anymore carbs than that with so little slin.

Start there and see how things go. Once you get comfortable with that then hit me up and Id love to discuss some other methods that I've found reaped much better results and I think you'd love as well.

Your dead on, point for point. And glad you brought up the 10 grams of carb per iu of slin being BS. That rule no doubt began as nothing more than a safety rule for slin noobs. And for that purpose it's a good rule of thumb for the first couple times. But with very little slin experience you soon learn it's complete overkill just as you mentioned.
Good post

[\SHINE/]

Yea the carb rule was for newbs and the majority were using Humilin R.

[pux888]

4 - 6 grams of carbs per IU was best in my experience.

[Hardontest]

4 - 6 grams of carbs per IU was best in my experience.

Pretty much right on. Got mine down to 3-5 comfortably.